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[Closed] FR NL10 SSS AKs folded

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russo79
Joined: 10.12.2007

Absolute Life Poker Subdue 0.05/0.10, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button Hero ($2.09)
SB ($4.62)
BB ($9.11)
UTG ($4.86)
UTG+1 Villain ($2.77)
CO-1 ($1.86)
CO ($1.75)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with A :club: K :club:
1 fold, Villain calls 0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to 0.50, 2 folds, Villain calls 0.40.

Flop (1.15) J :club: T :diamond: 3 :diamond:
Villain checks, Hero bets 0.80, Villain calls 0.80.

Turn (2.75) 6 :heart:
Villain moves all-in for 1.47, 1 fold

Was this a good fold? As you can see, villain was passive until the turn (just calling).


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snowylee
Joined: 27.01.2007

I believe you shouldve called? At least thats the way I see it after putting forth a couple of AK questions myself :), could be wrong though, wouldnt be the first time lol


xylere
Joined: 28.05.2007

Push flop to avoid such situations) you have 2 overcards + gutshot + bdor flush = automatic push if your stack:pot ratio is 1.5:1 or lower (i would push even with slightly bigger ratio, especially against some weird short stack)))

Update: some short explanation on AK + gutshot hands
The reason why we are willing to finish this hand on the flop is our equity and fold equity.

For instance, against fairly tight range 22-99, ATs+, KJs+, ATo+, KJo+ we have 46% of equity. Basically we will have > then 45% equity against almost any possible range... therefore, we just push to maximize our fold equity and win the pot right there and if it doesn`t work out we still have almost 50% chance to win...

Lets calculate EV for the worst case scenario:

- pot 8 BB (actual pot is 9,5BB, but blinds are assumed raked )
- we assume he folds in 50% of the time and calls with a range TT, 33, AJs-ATs, KJs+, AJo-ATo, KJo+ (38% equity against this range)

EV=0.5*(8BB) + 0.5*(0.32*(24BB) - 0.68*(16BB)) = 4BB + 0.5*(7.68BB - 10.88BB)= +2.36 BB

We can modify the range and assumtions, but its clearly +EV)

I would laso call it on the turn, because of the pot odds... but again, just to avoid it - push flop)


russo79
Joined: 10.12.2007

I'm not sure about the pot odds though

after his raise on the turn, the pot will be of 2.75 + 1.47 - 0.15 (rake) = 5.07

My remaining stack was of 2.09 - 1.30 = 0.79

So the pot odds would be of 5.07 : 0.79 = 6.4 : 1

If i didn't made any mistake I have 4 + 3 + 3 = 10 outs (Q, A, K)
So my pot odds are of (46 - 10) : 10 = 36 : 10 = 3.6 : 1

6.4 : 1 > 3.6 : 1

which would have been a good call (damn i'm stupid X( )

PS: This calculations were made while I was writing this message.
Got to rework my mental calculation performance and forget the calculator ;)

How do you guys do to calculate all this things in < 15 seconds???


xylere
Joined: 28.05.2007

What do you mean you are not sure about the pot odds?)

You probably can`t count all your outs as "clear". For instance if he has KJ, then your K outs are no good any more...

Anyway, calculating approximate pot odds shouldn`t take more then couple of seconds, given that most pokerooms offer you exact pot size at any moment. And estimating approximate equity is a matter of experience, download pokerstove or equilator and work with them every day)

But you don`t need to make a lot of calculations during the game, just practice after the session and after some time you will "feel" thoose profitable situations)


russo79
Joined: 10.12.2007

Oups

Forgot to remove that sentence once I made my calculations :)

Thanks for the advice.


Utahmar
Joined: 02.12.2006

Or you remember the odds - outs, 10 outs 1:1.6 to river, 1:3.7 to turn.