[Closed] 20+5$ Live Tournament hand. (+long breakdown of the hand)

Hi,

Like you said raise to at least 1.6k preflop. Since its live I'm tempted to even make it 2k - you will still get action in one spot at least most of time.

I'm never ever folding AA in this spot even though I am not fistpumping when I get it in. Shoving looks weakest - so that was deffo the best move. If you are beat its just a cooler really.

Also about being nervous in live games - this dissapaites with experience imo. I remember first time I played live I was litreally shaking, and I still get quite nervous sometimes if I'm playing reasonably high or get in huge pots - though in a way I find it helps me play better.

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Originally posted by savage1981

Originally posted by amplifyd
Also about being nervous in live games - this dissapaites with experience imo.

Dissa-what?

I can't spell. I meant to say dissipates lol.

Originally posted by amplifyd
Hi,

Like you said raise to at least 1.6k preflop. Since its live I'm tempted to even make it 2k - you will still get action in one spot at least most of time.

I'm never ever folding AA in this spot even though I am not fistpumping when I get it in. Shoving looks weakest - so that was deffo the best move. If you are beat its just a cooler really.

Also about being nervous in live games - this dissapaites with experience imo. I remember first time I played live I was litreally shaking, and I still get quite nervous sometimes if I'm playing reasonably high or get in huge pots - though in a way I find it helps me play better.

I dont know its just I really cant see a pro like Jason Mercier/Elky etc. going out in a spot like this, but then again, I believe it would have been more of a cooler if I didnt make that fishy mistake preflop.

I have already read of pros just shoving aces preflop in big live tournaments and actually getting paid off sometimes by AK/KK/QQ. I believe I read about this in the book "Kill Everyone" the person shoving stated that aces were not part of his plan to win the tournament lol.

Maybe I could have just made it really big preflop like 3k and then shove on the flop, I think this could get me paid off very often vs other overpairs.

Nice rake. It was sponsored by PartyPoker?

Originally posted by amplifyd
Hi,

Like you said raise to at least 1.6k preflop. Since its live I'm tempted to even make it 2k - you will still get action in one spot at least most of time.

I'm never ever folding AA in this spot even though I am not fistpumping when I get it in. Shoving looks weakest - so that was deffo the best move. If you are beat its just a cooler really.

Also about being nervous in live games - this dissapaites with experience imo. I remember first time I played live I was litreally shaking, and I still get quite nervous sometimes if I'm playing reasonably high or get in huge pots - though in a way I find it helps me play better.

tbh i dont agree

i also would raise biger preflop 1600-2k but as phand is played utg donking into 4-5 players on that flop looks very strong too me and i'll just flat and see what happens behind me

Originally posted by bonebt

Originally posted by amplifyd
Hi,

Like you said raise to at least 1.6k preflop. Since its live I'm tempted to even make it 2k - you will still get action in one spot at least most of time.

I'm never ever folding AA in this spot even though I am not fistpumping when I get it in. Shoving looks weakest - so that was deffo the best move. If you are beat its just a cooler really.

Also about being nervous in live games - this dissapaites with experience imo. I remember first time I played live I was litreally shaking, and I still get quite nervous sometimes if I'm playing reasonably high or get in huge pots - though in a way I find it helps me play better.

tbh i dont agree

i also would raise biger preflop 1600-2k but as phand is played utg donking into 4-5 players on that flop looks very strong too me and i'll just flat and see what happens behind me

^ Fold to a 3bet shove?

Edit: UTG1 is going to be pot commited and is going to shove the turn anyways why not get max fold equity and shove on the flop instead of just letting someone holding something like pocket jacks see a card?

Originally posted by Jackalof
Nice rake. It was sponsored by PartyPoker?

Yeah I think that this rake is very very hard to beat. I just go and play once and a while for fun.

Clearly not thrilled about getting AI on this board - but imo its still +EV. Guess the only reason for maybe calling and seeing what happens is because of MP who has us covered. But I don't like giving free cards

Oh and also that rake is still gnna be beatable - just gnna cut into your ROI but imo 50-100% ROIs in live tourneys are pretty easy.

Originally posted by amplifyd
Guess the only reason for maybe calling and seeing what happens is because of MP who has us covered.

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but not just MP there 3 players to act behind us and is not like we will have best hand very often when 2 players go all in on that flop, so when we flat players behind us will shove or fold like 99% of time and then we will see what utg will do

some thoughts about the hand

first of all it is a live tour. and 1 thing imo u need to remember about live MTT is that most of the people (if they r not pros) dont know/dont care about concepts like "pot commited", "stack sizes", "push or fold stack size" etc

second if u r good (better then avg player in field) u have bigger edge live then online, cos live u can make decision based on villains body language, did he looks comfortable etc and u mix his tales with his understanding of the game and u make ur plays

so what i'm trying to say is that u can easy past slightly +EV plays live and wait for better spot, cos it will happens in the next orbit for sure

in this particular hand i would just flat on flop and if MP or other player also calls or shove i would be ready to muck mine AA,

if all fold and UTG shove on turn i make a decision based on his body language i'll ask him something like
- U have a prety strong hand dont u? (and analyze his reaction)
and then I'll say something like - Damn this AA never hold up for me (and see how he reacts to that, is he comfortable or not) and then u can make ur decision with more info then u have when u make decision online

and if u fold u'll have good stack to maneuver in the filed, is not like u r crippled,

u have a lot of videos about body language etc on line

and iso raise bigger preflop live players call too much

and btw

Originally posted by amplifyd

Oh and also that rake is still gnna be beatable - just gnna cut into your ROI but imo 50-100% ROIs in live tourneys are pretty easy.

i'm not sure about this cos u can't get volume live u can play like only 1 tournamet a day live and if u dont get itm like 5-6 times (thats like week time if u find live MTT to play every day) will cost u a ton of $$ cos u have other expenses when u play live

Originally posted by bonebt

Originally posted by amplifyd
Guess the only reason for maybe calling and seeing what happens is because of MP who has us covered.

this
but not just MP there 3 players to act behind us and is not like we will have best hand very often when 2 players go all in on that flop, so when we flat players behind us will shove or fold like 99% of time and then we will see what utg will do

some thoughts about the hand

first of all it is a live tour. and 1 thing imo u need to remember about live MTT is that most of the people (if they r not pros) dont know/dont care about concepts like "pot commited", "stack sizes", "push or fold stack size" etc

second if u r good (better then avg player in field) u have bigger edge live then online, cos live u can make decision based on villains body language, did he looks comfortable etc and u mix his tales with his understanding of the game and u make ur plays

so what i'm trying to say is that u can easy past slightly +EV plays live and wait for better spot, cos it will happens in the next orbit for sure

in this particular hand i would just flat on flop and if MP or other player also calls or shove i would be ready to muck mine AA,

if all fold and UTG shove on turn i make a decision based on his body language i'll ask him something like
- U have a prety strong hand dont u? (and analyze his reaction)
and then I'll say something like - Damn this AA never hold up for me (and see how he reacts to that, is he comfortable or not) and then u can make ur decision with more info then u have when u make decision online

and if u fold u'll have good stack to maneuver in the filed, is not like u r crippled,

u have a lot of videos about body language etc on line

and iso raise bigger preflop live players call too much

and btw

Originally posted by amplifyd

Oh and also that rake is still gnna be beatable - just gnna cut into your ROI but imo 50-100% ROIs in live tourneys are pretty easy.

i'm not sure about this cos u can't get volume live u can play like only 1 tournamet a day live and if u dont get itm like 5-6 times (thats like week time if u find live MTT to play every day) will cost u a ton of $$ cos u have other expenses when u play live

Great post, thanks!