[Closed] collusion/chip dumping views please

without supplying the hand history i doubt very much that anything will be done. I'm 100% sure collusion does happen but it so hard to prove. Only one have I been really sure (when one huge stack posted the BB on the bubble of a sng and folded to a be that was only a few chips higher than the BB (think it was post 400 and fold to an allin of 408). they were talking in italian (i think) and it was pretty obvious. I sent an email to the poker room about it but never heard back.

i think poker rooms have an interest in removing these guys but only if there is solid proof and I assume more than one complaint

i have the hand historys to show this but to show on a public form with the names of people involved ?

I had such situation in 6 man SnG on Stars. On the bubble two of them started playing really weird. They made sure both of them had similar stacks at all times. If one got low other one dumped chips his way...

Anyway, me and the guy who went out 4th saw it and reported them. I didn't have to provide anything, only their names and a day after I get an e-mail that they were banned and that their money will be distributed etc.

What I like the most was that I got them both out in that game.

"i have the hand historys to show this but to show on a public form with the names of people involved ? "

no i mean to the poker room

Have seen such thing in SnG on stars reported nicknames and tourney ID afterwards and had my 1$ refund couple of weeks later. ♠_o:

If you have doubts a chip dump is taking place you don't need to play detective, just give tournament ID and player nicknames to support and the rest is their job, no need to provide any proof or your opinoins.

Dear Mr ,

We have now received a response fron our poker providers in .

This is what they have replied:--

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'' Hi There
We have investigated this matter & were unable to find any conclusive evidence that the players were colluding or chip dumping. The hands mentioned in the complaint has been reviewed & was found to be non-conclusive.

The fact that the players were seated at an MTT makes the likelihood of collusion/chip dumping occuring very slim. Reason being that players are seated randomly in MTT's, so it makes pre-meditated collusion/chip dumping extremely difficult & unlikely.

Should you require any further assistance, kindly re-open this request.

I found this email in my junk box so I am sorry for the delay in reply first off this is a steps tourney 8 player got a ticket to a monthly final the 9/bubble got 80 euro approx the player who I say was chip dumping to another player in a weekly tournament was already qualified to play in the monthly final so he was playing again in the weekly final for what? For fun he can’t win the same prize again so he paid 20 euro approx to win nothing or finish in the bubble and win 80 euro or to make sure the player he dumped chips too got into the monthly final (I think so or why did he not post and fold and he would have finished in the bubble)(now the two players in question have already won the main monthly prize worth 1000 euro each if there is only two players involved ) now on to the hands which I have all the hands histories short version 1 hand player a had 7670 chips blinds were 350/700 he was in 5 position player b was in the small blind player a raised to 3500 player b raised to 6650 player a called and folded left himself with 1020 chips no one that plays poker that way puts in more than 70% of his stack will fold his hand(all in to the reraise to player correct play or fold very poor play ) now the fact that player b called a 35000 raise with queen ten off ( no one will do that either if you play poker at all we are at the bubble you play premium hands )and the fact no one have seen player a hole cards

***** Hand History for
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 14, 10:02:50 ET 2011
Table 1k Weekly (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: ( $10110.00 USD )
Seat 2: player a ( $7670.00 USD )
Seat 3: ( $11910.00 USD )
Seat 4: ( $9865.00 USD )
Seat 5: ( $9620.00 USD )
Seat 7: ( $13050.00 USD )
Seat 8: player b ( $11545.00 USD )
Seat 9: ( $33370.00 USD )
Seat 10: ( $7490.00 USD )
Player b posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player a posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
101 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player b posts small blind [$350.00 USD]. posts big blind [$700.00 USD].
Dealt to [ 4d Ah ]
folds
folds
player a raises [$3500.00 USD]
folds
folds
folds
folds
player b raises [$6300.00 USD]
folds
player b calls [$3150.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Kd, 5h ]
Player b bets [$4755.00 USD]
Player a folds
Player b shows [Qs, Tc ]
Player b wins $19385.00 USD from main pot

hand 2 player a got lucky/unlucky and got chips to 5560 (when he won with kj I think and everyone called his short stack all in) blinds 350/700 player a was in under the gun position 3 raised to 3500 player b raised to 7000 in late position player a folded again more than 50% of his stack in play and the same player reraise player b and got the chips no one seen player a hole cards
** Hand History for Game
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 14, 10:04:32 ET 2011
Table Satellite 1k Weekly (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: ( $9160.00 USD )
Seat 2: player a ( $5560.00 USD )
Seat 3: ( $10960.00 USD )
Seat 4: ( $9725.00 USD )
Seat 5: ( $9480.00 USD )
Seat 7: ( $12910.00 USD )
Seat 8: player b ( $18575.00 USD )
Seat 9: ( $31720.00 USD )
Seat 10: ( $6540.00 USD )
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player a posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player b posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts small blind [$350.00 USD].
posts big blind [$700.00 USD].
Dealt to [ 9h Jd ]
Player a raises [$3500.00 USD]
folds
folds
folds
folds
player b raises [$7000.00 USD]
folds
folds
folds
player a folds
player b wins $12180.00 USD from main pot

hand 3 player a had 1990 chips left himself with 150 chips and folded to who you say player b no one seen player a hole cards
** Hand History for Game
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 14, 10:05:35 ET 2011
Table Satellite (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: ( $8390.00 USD )
Seat 2: player a ( $1990.00 USD )
Seat 3: ( $10890.00 USD )
Seat 4: ( $9655.00 USD )
Seat 5: ( $9410.00 USD )
Seat 7: ( $12840.00 USD )
Seat 8: player b ( $23685.00 USD )
Seat 9: ( $31650.00 USD )
Seat 10: ( $6120.00 USD )
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player a posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player b posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
posts small blind [$350.00 USD].
Player a posts big blind [$700.00 USD].
Dealt to [ 4s 3s ]
calls [$700.00 USD]
folds
folds
folds
player b calls [$700.00 USD]
folds
folds
folds
player a raises [$1140.00 USD]
calls [$1140.00 USD]
player b calls [$1140.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 4c, Kh ]
Player a checks
checks
player b checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
Player a checks
checks
player b bets [$700.00 USD]
player a folds
folds
player wins $7200.00 USD from main pot
this is chip dumping/collusion in action it is taking money from all the other player who have sat on the same table with these two or more player in the steps tourney involved in fraud I hope there is a full refund of money to everyone involved tx noel