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LOL tourneys - not really real poker ? Says people who play only cash games...
This reminds me of that old poll : "is on-line poker easier than live poker?".
There will always be people on both sides with a lot of arguments,but if you think for a sec,poker its just poker.Live,on-line,cash,mtt...Its all the same.
Its just like in football.If you take the goalkeeper and want to make him a midfielder,he will have to learn a lot of new things,to start the coaching all over.
And you can never say that being a midfielder its much easier than being a goalkeeper.This depends from game to game.
Originally posted by L3ST
Real poker is Nosebleeds HU LIMIT Hold'em. Try that.
I bet it takes ages to win such thing,lol. ♠_biggrin: ♠_biggrin:
Originally posted by michellecip
LOL tourneys - not really real poker ? Says people who play only cash games...This reminds me of that old poll : "is on-line poker easier than live poker?".
There will always be people on both sides with a lot of arguments,but if you think for a sec,poker its just poker.Live,on-line,cash,mtt...Its all the same.Its just like in football.If you take the goalkeeper and want to make him a midfielder,he will have to learn a lot of new things,to start the coaching all over.
And you can never say that being a midfielder its much easier than being a goalkeeper.This depends from game to game.
agreed - and he would still be playing football - which ever the position
Originally posted by L3ST
Real poker is Nosebleeds HU NO-LIMIT Hold'em. Try that.
FYP
Originally posted by furculision
Originally posted by Laggsy
Lol. I mean there is more creativity and fun in deep games. In tournies its push or fold so often that its not fun.imho there should be a game so deep that it is almost impossible to get all the chips in. like 2000 big blinds deep. that way u can bluff and valubet huge in spots where otherwise you would not get max value from a villain.
i agree that it's alot of fun playing deep but it's the hardest way to play NL and the hardest to master.i find push-or-fold stage fun too and it's fairly easy to master with enough practice
How the hell can you master push and fold? How can you master to win flips?!?! ROFL please teach me I am a lot under EV because of the flips.
Anyways to the guy who started the thread. You are somewhat right, but also in my eyes a little dumb, so I don't wonder that you "switch" to tourneys because you probably lost all on the cash tables right?
By comparing MTTs with cash tables and saying that MTTs aren't poker?!?
I mean you probably are only talking about Texas holdem which is the most popular kind of poker but not the only one.
I don't know why but your arrogant post made me really mad.
Originally posted by ManoloB99
OP is kinda correct, as far as I know these are the types of poker that exist:Real Poker - Cash games
Not really real poker - MTTs, SNGs, similar
Fishy Poker - If opponents are very soft
Real Fishy Poker - If opponents are real acquatic animals
Undead Poker - If opponents are zombies, vampires, etc.
plus some other variations I am missing at the moment...
Anyways, good luck Laggsy and don't forget to make more of those funny random videos.
wow you really of the mark. i mean how do you expect respect when you miss the only true form of poker - strip poker!!
By the above logic: WSOP isn't poker; WPT, isn't poker; Poker after Dark, isn't poker. The network co-coordinator must have been an IDIOT! to include the word Poker in title, in a game that isn't Poker. Gosh, if only the IDIOTS knew what you clearly do OP.
Tell me, as a newcomer, what's the ultimate objective of the two games? How many cards are dealt, in both games? Is there community cards, in both games? Is there position, mandatory blinds, the ability to raise/check/fold? Is there hand rankings? A preflop, flop, turn and river?
How stupid must we have been all this time to think that tournament <poker> isn't Poker after all!
Originally posted by Reaching4Zen
By the above logic: WSOP isn't poker; WPT, isn't poker; Poker after Dark, isn't poker. The network co-coordinator must have been an IDIOT! to include the word Poker in title, in a game that isn't Poker. Gosh, if only the IDIOTS knew what you clearly do OP.Tell me, as a newcomer, what's the ultimate objective of the two games? How many cards are dealt, in both games? Is there community cards, in both games? Is there position, mandatory blinds, the ability to raise/check/fold? Is there hand rankings? A preflop, flop, turn and river?
How stupid must we have been all this time to think that tournament <poker> isn't Poker after all!
lol. i agree that tournament are poker but you really shouldnt call other poeple stupid and then get the rest of your post so wrong. there are different amount of cards dealt in different forms of poker. There are not community cards in all types of poker, there are not mandatory blinds in all forms of poker. there is not a preflo[p, flop, turn and river in all forms of poker.
I didn't call anyone stupid. If anything it was just dramatic irony. Also, you're just strengthening my underlying point: you're agreeing that even though there are slight differences, it still remains under the umbrella term 'Poker'.
I'm not sure what the rest of your post meant, other than strengthening my post, which I doubt was the intention.
E: Considering that the most popular form of Poker, which most of us play, is NLHE, I assumed that OP was merely switching from NLHE cash to NLHE torny. My mistake. I should have stated my at the beginning, or shouldn't have assumed in the first place.
Originally posted by Reaching4Zen
I didn't call anyone stupid. If anything it was just dramatic irony. Also, you're just strengthening my underlying point: you're agreeing that even though there are slight differences, it still remains under the umbrella term 'Poker'.I'm not sure what the rest of your post meant, other than strengthening my post, which I doubt was the intention.
E: Considering that the most popular form of Poker, which most of us play, is NLHE, I assumed that OP was merely switching from NLHE cash to NLHE torny. My mistake. I should have stated my at the beginning, or shouldn't have assumed in the first place.
yeah sorry misread your post. i guess we will just have to agree to agree on this one so to speak.
Originally posted by Zhusy
Originally posted by furculision
Originally posted by Laggsy
Lol. I mean there is more creativity and fun in deep games. In tournies its push or fold so often that its not fun.imho there should be a game so deep that it is almost impossible to get all the chips in. like 2000 big blinds deep. that way u can bluff and valubet huge in spots where otherwise you would not get max value from a villain.
i agree that it's alot of fun playing deep but it's the hardest way to play NL and the hardest to master.i find push-or-fold stage fun too and it's fairly easy to master with enough practice
How the hell can you master push and fold?
By understanding how different hand ranges play agaisnt each other, knowing how risk averse you are and estimating villains calling/shoving ranges. That way you can master push-fold game. Results are obviously not controllable, but results are unrelevant when play itself is good.
NLHE tourny is just cash poker with added limitations for those who would like to go far:
Play tight in the beginning, and only raise with decent hands (so you can 4-bet or shove). Limping doesn't cost you too much, and I may do it occassionally right at the beginning in good position just to catch someone out who might have hit something but my hand (that is better) is disguised.
If you can play post-flop without an all-in, make sure you're ahead vs your opponents range. Make them pay to draw or call, and keep accumilating slowly.
I find the price of a tournament has a lot to do with the style of play. Rebuy tournaments are just full of all ins with everyone just wanting to get lucky and stack several times.
Deep stack tournaments are great to play a wider array of hands at the start with less chance of losing your whole stack and a good chance to outplay your opponent postflop and build a considerable stack.
Lower priced tournaments that don't cost much to enter bring a lot of all ins throughout the whole tournament. Early stages, middle, and even the late stages. I find you can either get 3 types of tables:
A table full of players just shoving all the time.
A table that plays more conservatively and allows you to play post-flop a little more.
A mixture of the two.
I find tournaments with a higher buy-in allows for a more tight-aggressive approach with a lot of flops seen rather than All-in shoves (obviously it cost quite a bit so noone is willing to put things like KQ, AT or any Ax hand all in stupidly just to hope to double up).
The skill comes in quickly identifying what type of table you are on with what type of players and adjusting your game to this.
Johnny All-in table? Play extremely tight, only play if you have AA KK QQ and for me AK and AQ suited. If in position and the action is folded to me or there is one call and I know the player is more conservative I may loosen my range to play a hand postflop, otherwise if I know I haven't got absolute position with idiots still to call I'll fold most hands.
Conservative table? This is my joint favourite, you can pretty much play proper poker here with blind stealing and outplaying postflop with aggression.
Mix of both? Like I said, joint favourite. When I can't play, the All-in players are knocking each other out faster than I can breath, and when they fold and I'm left with the calmer side of the table I'll play with a reasonable range. The reason I like this mix is, eventually one of them wins several stacks, meaning when I catch some good cards I can make him bleed for his stupidity.
Correct me if my observation is wrong, but this is what has seemed to work for me. It's mostly from freerolls and small entry tournaments, but I've placed on a final table over 10 times with a field of over 10k sometimes, and have found that this strategy works for me.
Obviously sometimes the cards just wont come, or you'll play heads up with great cards and get sucked out, or maybe you'll play a hand for once vs some conversative who just so happens to have landed two good cards himself and plays it aggressively, that unfortunately turns into dwindling your stack down even moreso.
My 2 cents, peace ;D