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mrjst
Joined: 01.09.2011

Hello

Well i entered the PS 10K depositors freeroll on poker770 just now and dropped out... I beluive it was just bad luck but can someone explain to me if i did some crucial mistake and failed to see i was beaten?

blinds 10/20

playerA (SB) (2505)
xdAAbx2012 (BB) (1580)
playerX
playerY
playerZ
playerU
pokersajmon(thats ME) (1400)
playerT
playerH
playerG (D)

Action:
playerY: calls (20)
pokersajmon: calls (20) //hand 9c 9h
playerA: calls (10)
xdAAbx2012: raises to (160)
playerY: fold
pokersajmon: call(140)
playerA: fold

FLOP : 7c 7s Qc //pot (370)
xdAAbx2012: check
pokersajmon: bets (200)
xdAAbx2012: calls (200)

TURN: 9d //pot (770)
xdAAbx2012: check
pokersajmon:bets (380)
xdAAbx2012: calls (380)

RIVER: 3s
xdAAbx2012: bets (60)
pokersajmon: raises to (400)
xdAAbx2012: raises to (740)
pokersajmon: all in(260)

xdAAbx2012 shows QQ and walks away....

So let me say what i was thinking: PF raise was unordinary 8x bb, first thing i thought was, he doesnt have a clue what he is doing and is prolly holding AKs,AQs,or some medium pair not AA,KK,QQ...coz if he held that he wouldnt want to overbet to scare me away.

After flop i see one overcard, two sevens...he checks(i cant rly tell what he holds, but probably he missed the flop or he has TPTK or some medium pair and he is scared of Q) best to bet to see where i am standing...
I bet 200, that should alow him to call if he has draw or some medium pair, i belive he should reraise if he was stronger...just because there is draw chance and trips and he wouldnt like that. He calls

TURN: 7 bingo! i made full house and now only QQ or 77 beats me( another good thing is he will have REALLY hard time to put me on 99)
if he was on draw he didnt improve and if he has TPTK or trips im in luck i can get all of his chips on the table... I bet just enough to keep him arround, he decides to call...

RIVER: 3c
Well i would prefer to see 3s so he would have his flush if he was on draw, but TPTK or trips were still looking good...
1.st surprise he decides to bet (60) .... OK, i just dont get this bet...but then again he didnt make any sense with his pf raise either.... i decide to reraise but not with all in, but just enough that he will call or even better shove it..
Well it all went according to my plan, only that he had floped the nuts :(

F*** ME :(

How do you guys see this hand?

TY


7 replies

Well I'm sure you will get more insightful replies than this one!!..but will start the ball rolling for you anyway!!

I think where you went wrong was pre flop

UTG +1 open limped and its folded to you??

I think you should have raised pocket 9's to 4/5bb to put him on a range..guys can do this with with AA KK from this position so if its folded back to him and he re-raises you the alarm bells should start to ring..depending on the player he has to have AK+ TT+ imo

BB raised 8 bb??

This looks like he wants to find out if either of you have a big PP KK+ or AQs (unlikely as he has pocket QQ) or AK

UTG +1 folds and you call..I think this lets him know you have a hand like AQs+ or a medium PP at best

Post flop his line looks like he has a really strong hand..chk/call flop... chk/call turn.... small river bet then a re-raise (very suspicious)

I think that pre flop you put BB on too narrow a range..you maybe could have re-raised there and if he calls your bet/re-raises you or shoves you can make an easy fold

On the river you MAYBE should have been suspicious of his small bet and just called ( the pot was very large as it was) and still left yourself with 30+ BB..when he puts you all in your more than likely beat but pretty much have to make the call

Hope that helps


mrjst
Joined: 01.09.2011

Thank you for quick reply!

Yes i understand what you are saying. I see now that i made big mistake PF by not raising. I came to same conclusion about calling on the river, too bad i didnt realise it at the time...
Biggest mistake was that i didnt see his pf raise as a strong move of a skilled player, but then again i wouldnt have to if only have i raised first.

I have one more question. If i raise first in and he decides to reraise. Should i call according to call(20) rule or simply fold since im beaten.

And if i raise first and he decides to simply call, what to do after flop...i belive he would simply just Flop: check/call, Turn: check/call, River: reraise Hard to get any value like this...what do you recommend in this situation?

well..i got plenty to learn :)

Cheers!


Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

yeah i guess that you could isolate (raise) preflop. not really huuuuge mistake to limp behind though i think
however when he raises that enormously big you can't call. to setmine there you practically have to stack him off almost 100% of the time when you hit your set, which is not too likely

postflop well, just a sick cooler, don't really think you can just get away there while you don't even really know the opponent


Hi mrjst,

got a dedicated forum for handevaluations where experienced players have a look at your hands
I moved your thread over there :)

Cheers,

Pascal


looks ok , nice slow roll there

btw dont like the limp preflop , asking for trouble , only do it to set mine & after turn youre done for


mrjst
Joined: 01.09.2011

Thank you for moving my post in the correct forums. I think that i learned enough to avoid same mistake next time :)


Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

if i read to history wrong i would isoraise the limper with 99 (bottomrange here early for me, with lower pps i overlimp here). Then in a freeroll i would def. call against an overshover since its a freeroll. as played you can't really call for setvalue but your 99 are ip i guess strong enough to call them.
as played bet flop du protect your hand is ok -> you want value from his overcards!
As your 9 popps there is no way you can ever come out here!

greets