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[Closed] AJK6 SS on BU, facing c/r shove on T

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Gugi19
Joined: 08.01.2010

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.06(BB) Replayer
SB ($6)
BB ($9)
UTG ($5.88)
CO ($3.29)
Hero ($6)

Dealt to Hero J♥ A♣ K♠ 6♣

UTG calls $0.06, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, SB calls $0.21, fold, UTG calls $0.18

FLOP ($0.78) T♦ 9♣ 5♣

SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.66, SB folds, UTG calls $0.66

TURN ($2.10) T♦ 9♣ 5♣ A♦

UTG checks, Hero bets $1.51, UTG raises to $4.98 (AI), Hero?

SB is 18/6 and UTG is 29/8, both on passive side. SB is kind of a Reg.

Is this a call on turn we are crushed against sets, have enough equity to call against two pair hands and we are dominating his combo draws?

I think flop is fine to continue with FD+GSSD. What is the better line on turn check back or fire again? I mean I expect him to c/r flop with strong made hands like sets or two pair, which means he has draws that I dominate most of the time. But then I'm not sure what is he c/r shove here?

Also, if he c/c this turn and rivers is blank and he checks cause if I put him on draws I'm winning with top pair and if he was slow playing he is not folding any way?


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fruktpuff
Joined: 24.09.2010

On my count we have 12 outs against a set, and 16 against two-pair hands.
Some of our outs are almost guaranteed dirty.
The second flushdraw MAY be good for us, but may also not, as he didn't rep a clubdraw, only calling, but he shoves the diamond draw.
There are SO many cards we don't want to see, 11 diamonds, 9s, Ts, 5s and to some extent aces, if we have him on a set. There's just too little good and too much bad that can come for us.

And if he has a hand like 9TJQ, we really don't look very good, because we only split the pot if a queen peels.
Crushed against any set if the Ace rolls off.
King or Jack won't be good either against a rundown..

And as you said, he's rather passive pre, but what about his postflop play? How many hands do we have? Does he have a habit of check/raising, is it only nuts or sometimes strong draws?

I'd probably walk away from this one, if I had the time and opportunity to analyse it during the hand, which is not quite as likely as reading it here. :)

Regards,
Richard

PS. Everything I say is as a fish and player, don't take it as a real evaluation, just my opinion and wait for Graham to pop round.


Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

Good preflop raise.

Good flop bet with nut flush draw and gutshot straight draw.

Turn is the best card in the deck for us (to rep a strong hand) since we raised preflop. We now have top pair top kicker to go with our draw. I would be betting full pot here and happily stacking off to a check raise.

Nobody is ever turning up with a set here, they can't afford to play a set such a way. It's most likely against 2 pair, which we're pretty reasonable against since we likely win with a KQJ or club, something around 15 outs.

Meaning soon as we bet the turn, which we absolutely should since a lot of better hands fold (like T9 or A5) and anyone with a diamond draw/straight draw on the turn we likely are beating (with our AK) we absolutely can't check this behind and we definitely can't fold to a checkraise given it's a $3.50 call to win a $12 and we have a third of the deck typically to win.


fruktpuff
Joined: 24.09.2010

So you wouldn't be the least worried about agression on the diamond draw hitting, Ribbo? I mean the chances of his flush counter our flush perfectly, and I wouldn't really be sure we don't split on a straight(Which is of course still worth stacking off with, but a flush may cost us outs)


Gugi19
Joined: 08.01.2010

Actually he had K :club:4 :club:Q :diamond:8 :diamond:, and at first his line made sense to me, but then after some simulations I think it is just -EV. Cause he has at best 40% against Axxx and he has to have some fold equity but after we fire twice, can he have some at all with this SPR? Only if I am some barreling monkey :f_biggrin: with pure air.

@Ribbo: What about if he c/c this turn and check blank river, what is our line check back or fire again to make some river two pairs to fold?


Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

Villain should have donked the turn. There is no way you're folding to a checkraise given the line you took (which shows you are strong).