Thanks Pleno!! this is alot of help, i will most certainly take a bit more time deciding weather it's a fold or a shove now that you've opened my mind to a few new facts! and in the micros i've seen alot of crazy all ins preflop with some serious trash, so unless i have a read that the person is a tighty then it's normally going to be +EV to call a SHOVE is my new understandng
I really do loev the community here so far everyone is so willing to give such detailed replys!!
Originally posted by pleno1
Hey Guys.What's this talk on my forum about folding AK huh? Not on my watch
But its only ace high???I here this statement far too much. We shouldn't ever think in poker about our immediate hand strength when facing an all in but rather "what is my hand strength VERSUS a range.
For example, lets say we KNOW that a guy WILL ONLY EVER SHOVE jj/qq/kk/aa, i.e not ace high
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.955% 34.64% 00.32% 10675547 98125.50 { AdKh }
Hand 1: 65.045% 64.73% 00.32% 19949674 98125.50 { JJ+ }Then it is clear we shold fold.
However when calling all in with AK there is usually a reason, for example we are 25bbs deep against a 3bet shover. If we start including more pairs and some aces that we dominate.
Lets look at the strength of AK versus this new range.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.959% 53.01% 04.95% 98940816 9233661.00 { AdKh }
Hand 1: 42.041% 37.09% 04.95% 69232998 9233661.00 { 77+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, ATo+, KQo }Ok now lets change the scenario and say we are BVB against a very aggresive opponent with 16bbs who has 3bet shove.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.373% 62.83% 02.54% 338911480 13694573.00 { AdKh }
Hand 1: 34.627% 32.09% 02.54% 173075134 13694573.00 { 77+, A2s+, K2s+, Q8s+, JTs, T9s, 97s+, 87s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }We should ALWAYS think about our relative hand strength VERSUS a range. If a tight woman in a live tournament 3bet shoves and seems very happy then perhaps AK is only ace high
If a guy in a cap and hoody keeps his ipod plugged in whilst flicking the chips in, then things change a little.
I know what to wear anyway if i ever meet you in a live poker game pleno 
I need to beat you anyway as you left a poor Aston Villa supporter fend for himself in the dark and lonely sports forum instead of sticking together..Shame on you
ty pleno for making that detailed response 
btw, 
at the stereotype. YOU're a tight woman! ♦
maybe that is why people keep folding to me in live games? 
