OMG spite calls, costs me and a fish reg 20% roi each.

OK, so how can you exploit this?
There MUST be a way.
If you're BOTH losing, who is gaining on the two of you?

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
OK, so how can you exploit this?
There MUST be a way.
If you're BOTH losing, who is gaining on the two of you?

all other players... retarded logic of icm

edit: btw it is probably not costing u 20% roi, because the samplesize of 88 is waaaay too small

Originally posted by hunt32

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
OK, so how can you exploit this?
There MUST be a way.
If you're BOTH losing, who is gaining on the two of you?

all other players... retarded logic of icm

edit: btw it is probably not costing u 20% roi, because the samplesize of 88 is waaaay too small

Honestly I don't want to find out

Wow some stalker you got there

super easy to exploit. just be tight. GG

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
super easy to exploit. just be tight. GG

but it's super tough coz the blinds catch up with me more often than not, and I just need to gamble at some point.

50/100 -> 100/200 -> 200/400 -> 300/600..

and even if I only push the top end of my ranges, it still sucks very hard when he calls so much when he shouldn't call.

Just use the wizard and calculate a profitable range against his loose range and you will win a lot of chips from villain.

After he calls you with crap and drops out of the tourney a few times he will not want to sit behind you anymore.

Also he is very likely to drop out of SNGs early because he will loose a lot of allins with his weak hands.

All you have to do is to adjust and play totally different than the norm because your villain is too.

Just relax and exploit the crazy player.

Good luck!

you choose seats on PP STTs? lol ♦

anyway today he did the same thing, I typed in chat nicely and asked him to go sharkscope himself vs me..

not sure if he read it but 5 mins later he quit every table. ♦

i wouldnt be happy about that. you have a lot of value vs these spewtards

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
i wouldnt be happy about that. you have a lot of value vs these spewtards

I understand what you mean. Heactually he plays pretty solid, or too tight most of the time, just spite calls a lot. I'm blinding down so much when I can't push in the BU or SB. Really don't realistically see how much I can tighten up without losing tons of EV as well in the process.

he's not like calling wide in the sense of just a few % points, but it's ridiculously wide, I have his fold BB vs SB steal at just 34% in my stats, and the hands he's calling with also seem pretty random, not just high card hands in bad spots but sometimes even really junky hands.

It's really annoying and I would rather just give up the EV of having him in my game rather than have to deal with his bullshit, or have to worry about him in game, just not worth it imo.

sit on his left and dont spit call him

if hes calling 60% where he should be calling 20% then you can still push wider than nash and make a profit. just put some hands in wiz and see

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
if hes calling 60% where he should be calling 20% then you can still push wider than nash and make a profit. just put some hands in wiz and see

Alright, I will be looking through hands I played with him, which I suspect aren't that many at all since I've been avoiding him.

Still really annoying to have him in my games, besides just ev decisions, it really gets me off my groove when I know I have to watch out for him all the time.

Perhaps if he is calling so very wide he had the idea that you were stealing extremely wide?

Isn't it better to shove into a tight player than a loose player? Even if you play optimally vs both...
Take an extreme case of being cheapleader on the bubble- there is more value to be gained from a tight player than it is from a loose one. Even if you play optimally vs the loose one, you gain less than you would if he was a tight player
The only thing you can do is avoid these players, that play decent in early game, and too loose in the late game.

If you know someone is deviating from the Nash equilibrium, and you know exactly how he plays, this does not mean you can exploit him and profit. It is possible that he could be transferring equity from both of you to other players. This is one way collusion is possible in SNGs. It is only in heads up play (and not quite in heads-up cash games due to the rake) that every mistake of your opponent benefits you. If your opponent makes crazy calls against everyone, you will be the beneficiary those times, but if your opponent makes spite calls only against you and/or tries to get position on you, you might lose even more than the rake.

For example, with 4 equal 8 BB stacks on the bubble, you can push ATC from the small blind, and even knowing this the BB can rarely call. This is quite profitable for you. However, if the BB will call with ATC, it is as though the BB has pushed first. Then you should get out of the way with almost all hands, and some hands change from great pushes to marginally profitable "calls." You are only happy to get action with hands with over 70% equity against the incorrect calls, and there aren't very many of those.

One way to deal with this situation is to outlast the player. Another is to avoid the player. Another is to try out some strategies like small raises or limps. Some players call widely against pushes, but they also call instead of restealing against small raises, and then they don't often hit the flop hard.