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peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($244.70)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($158.65)
Hero (Button) ($101.55)
SB ($107.70)
BB ($100)
UTG ($152.25)
UTG+1 ($153.25)
MP1 ($38.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
UTG bets $3, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3, 2 folds, Hero raises $14, 2 folds, UTG raises $149.25 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $87.55 (All-In)

Flop: ($207.60) 5, 8, 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($207.60) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($207.60) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $207.60

Both villains are regs, I wasn't thinking in the hand unfortunately and instant called it off. But now I wonder if it should be a fold, presumably villian can never be bluffing here, if he wanted a 4b bluffing range he would bet/fold to $33 or something. And when he ships it with another reg in the hand and 150bb deep he surely has the top of his range. So we can fold pre? We need 40% equity to make the call....

Both regs play 15/12 not that it probably matters.


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he is only 101bb effective b/c of your and the other regs stack size. I dont think 3b/calling can be too bad b/c your percieved range to squeeze is weaker than a normal 3b so maybe he will ship AK or QQ. Another option (the better option imo) would be to just call preflop b/c KK in a single raised pot IP isnt too bad.


Cornie4ever
Joined: 19.04.2009

Yeah, this is difficult because

1) you don´t like to flat 3way or even more if somebody calls behind
2) you don´t like 3bet/folding and hence turning KK in the bluff
3) you don´t like 3bet/calling because he has AA so frequently.

On the other hand, I think shoving range of normal reg in squeeze spot is QQ+, AK, sometimes even JJ if he has read on you that you squeeze light (you may easily have 75s or QTs in this spot instead of your KK). So you have 57% equity and have easy 3bet/call in this spot.

If you see some really tight reg, with like 2-3% 3bet (which implies his 4bet will be even stronger), I just flat call preflop because I don´t like to 3bet/fold KK.


Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Nah, that's standard imo. 100bb deep after a squeeze, I'm not folding KK even in nit-poker.


Cornie4ever
Joined: 19.04.2009

yeah. I like your footnote btw :f_love: :f_biggrin: _biggrin:


me to. i follow your blog but i just noticed it now


peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

Me too! lol :f_biggrin:


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Cornie4ever
Yeah, this is difficult because

1) you don´t like to flat 3way or even more if somebody calls behind
Agree. Especially because all additional callers are just playing for their implied odds, so when the pot grows big postflop we're usually a huge underdog.
2) you don´t like 3bet/folding and hence turning KK in the bluff
I don't think we're turning it into a bluff by squeezing, nor am I 3bet/folding. Btw if you would assume he only 4bets AA but does not fold AK and KK to the 3bet you'd still be 3betting for value although it's a 3bet/fold. Only if he folds all worse hands it's a bluff (at least to me).
3) you don´t like 3bet/calling because he has AA so frequently.
Not sure about this. I would generally make the squeeze a bit smaller when ranges are as strong as in this spot because by making it big we polarize our range even more.

On the other hand, I think shoving range of normal reg in squeeze spot is QQ+, AK, sometimes even JJ if he has read on you that you squeeze light (you may easily have 75s or QTs in this spot instead of your KK). So you have 57% equity and have easy 3bet/call in this spot.
Agree

If you see some really tight reg, with like 2-3% 3bet (which implies his 4bet will be even stronger), I just flat call preflop because I don´t like to 3bet/fold KK.
Again this depends. If he always 4bets AA and always calls AK, KK and QQ there is absolutely no reason not to 3bet - quite the contrary, we not only get value but also define his range and we're even able to dodge a AA-vs-KK-setup which is usually almost impossible once there's a 3bet preflop.


peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

Thanks for the feedback, I am keeping an eye out for then ppl 4b ship, yesterday KK<AA twice, I'll try and get a larger sample size...so far 3/3


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

If they ship it overna 4bet that tightly you should start 4betting like a monkey ;).