[NL2-NL10] NL 4 99 -- Good fold or chicken out?

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Background:
      I've been going to showdown way too often.
      Trouble is, now that I'm not so much a calling station,
      I end up second-guessing every fold.

      Especially when it turns out I would have won.

      I think I set myself up for this by not raising the flop, but that seems to me overplaying this hand.
      If villain has been reading "AMA about 6Max", then he is applying "Bet until they raise", and I didn't raise.

      Props to him for playing this better than I did?


      Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

      Insufficient hands for any relevant post-flop stats
      v/p/8.3/1.5

      SB: $1.58 (39.5 bb) 39/7/0/1.4 28H
      BB: $4 (100 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.40 (135 bb)
      CO: $2.93 (73.3 bb) 65/22/8.3/1.5 37H
      MP: $7.86 (196.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 9
      MP folds, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.14, BB folds, CO calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.52) 6 3 8 (3 players)
      SB bets $0.12, CO calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.12
      Too Passive?

      Turn: ($0.88) 2 (3 players)
      SB bets $0.08, CO raises to $0.28, Hero folds
      What is the correct play here?


      CO showed 8 K
      SB showed 8 9
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
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      Why do you think raising the flop would be overplaying?

      Against SBs stack I don't mind raising and going broke. Lot's of 8x and draws that can stack with me (mind you we have 50% vs most draws).

      He donks really small and then the other fish just calls so what we are doing is allowing 4 cards to see a turn. Imagine how many turn cards will make it hard for us to continue? And since you fold on a 2s which is the perfect blank I am wondering why are we even bothering calling the flop (instead of folding)? We can't really assume that villains will suddenly stop betting.

      Anyway, my preferred line here is to raise the flop for pure value/protection. Sure we are behind some overpairs but CO limped so he doesn't have many and SB is short and can stack off a lot ligther by default.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Thanks,
      How big should the flop raise be?

      As played, how big should the turn raise have been?
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      Thanks,
      How big should the flop raise be?

      As played, how big should the turn raise have been?
      I would say flop would be at least 0.6 so we can shove any safe turn against COs stack.

      Turn I'd raise probably something like $0.7-$0.8 but I really wouldn't want to just call the flop and be in this spot.