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[NL2-NL10] nl50 aces up

    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,107
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $52.45
      MP3(Hero):
      $21.40
      CO:
      $9.25
      BU:
      $10.10
      SB:
      $32.85
      BB:
      $50.00
      UTG2:
      $18.50
      MP1:
      $10.00

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, Q.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO folds, BU calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB folds.

      Flop: ($5.75) T, 2, K (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($5.75) Q (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BU calls $2.50, SB folds.

      River: ($10.75) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, BU raises to $5.85(All-In), Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $13.25.

      i figured that he beats two pair or is very adventurous with AT/AQ

      although the pot odds are clearly saying i should call, i thought there is not much point in paying more money than my value bet

      any ideas? should i have bet the pot vs 2 opponents?
  • 5 replies
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      I don't valuebet that river. No worse hand is going to call.

      I don't even think we can C/C all hands that called Turn that we beat will happilly go for the free showdown rather than investing a bluff on a Straight/FlushBoard. Am I wrong?
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,107
      Originally posted by DaPhunk
      I don't valuebet that river. No worse hand is going to call.

      I don't even think we can C/C all hands that called Turn that we beat will happilly go for the free showdown rather than investing a bluff on a Straight/FlushBoard. Am I wrong?
      no you are not

      but i knew he would shove if i checked, thought maybe i can see a cheap sd this way

      i think the mistake was the amount that i bet, it would have had the same exact effect if i had bet $1
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Originally posted by excelgeo
      but i knew he would shove if i checked
      Can you please explain why you think that? What range do you think he does that with on this board? As I mentioned above I think hands you beat are happy to go for the free showdown rather than risking on this super dangerous board. It doesn't feel like a good place to bluff to me.

      Maybe because its such a bad spot to bluff it would be a Good spot to bluff? Or is that just thinking too deep xD
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,107
      yeah it is a great spot to bluff and that is why i didnt want him to think that i have completely missed you see. normally if I see a bet like that then i know that this guy is trying to extract more money with a big hand and usually if i have anything decent i call it down only because of pot odds.

      if people check the river to me i always bet it. if they bet me i will call it if it is for little money. my huge mistake was that i did not notice that he was short and that i was essentially committing him with only a call. it was a bad bluff for a bluff and a misconcieved value bet.

      so you say i should c/f the river right?
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hello excelgeo,

      without reads or stats I would simply prefer to c/f this hand all the way. You could try to get value out of some draws on the turn, but I would prefer to c/f as this is 3-way pot and you have only second pair.

      As played, on the river every draw completed, so no worse hand will call your bet and I don't see many better hands folding to your bet. So, I would just c/f river. Besides, bet/folding doesn't make much sense as opponent has only half potsize left in his stack.

      Regards,
      burek2000