[Closed] Badbeats and Suckouts and Tilt, Oh My!

Warning, these goals are abolished. Profit is more important than these goals.

Goals

August Goals

4353/25,000 Hands Played

1371/3,000 VPPs For GoldStar

0/12 Workouts (To keep myself in good mental and physical condition)

2009 Goals

10,168/125,000 Hands Played

0/1 Reach and Maintain Gold Star

0/1 Reach $3/6 Limit using BRM to prove I belong at mid limits online.

good luck! on the tables and in life.

you should really learn NL b/c casinos have much higher limits of NL and the players r still pretty bad

Will you be playing FR or SH?

Goodluck!

Originally posted by fun101rockets
you should really learn NL b/c casinos have much higher limits of NL and the players r still pretty bad

Two reasons I do not. Casinos around here (BC Canada) rarely if ever have higher than 2/5 NL. In fact I personally have never seen it. The second is NL is incredibly swingy live. You can get it all in with Aces preflop and have the guy who just came to the casino to gamble suck you out often. At this point in my life with a bankroll of 3500ish and the incredible need to produce income for myself and my family right now risking that kind of money like that is not wise.

Also I started off playing NL when I first started playing poker. I'm vastly better at FL but have put in the same if not more time studying NL. I'm the type of person who is incredibly intellegent when it comes to math. Nothing clicks unless there is a proper course of action and with NL I probubly give up a lot of money due to broken odds. Thankfully my reading ability live is quite good and comes to me naturally, or I'd be a losing NL player due to the lack of respect for pot sizes live.

With all that said the one thing I need to make sure I look after is tilt while playing 6 tables. One suckout may do things to me that may alter my game little by little without me noticing. At a live table where you get 35 hands an hour you have time to think it out and play your A game. Online there is no time because the next hand is aleady waiting for you at another table. Anyone have any input on this? I may not even have this problem anymore now that I take poker seriously, but if I do I may need some advice.

Originally posted by Klee90
Will you be playing FR or SH?

Goodluck!

FR for now. I know SH may be the way of the future but I haven't put any substancial time in playing it. On top of not playing it I've never really studied it either other than watching a few cornholio videos where as I've read multiple books on FR such as Winning Big at Small Stakes and a few others.

For now I am just going to worry about what I've planned to do for the next 5 months. I dont want to think about switching games when I dont even know how I'll do in them.

Profit at this point is the most important thing for me since my life is riding on the income i make with poker.

If you do 25000 hands per month you'll almost be platinumstar. So goldstar shouldn't be a challenge!

I wish you good luck.

Sincerely, best of luck Verre. ♠_thumbsup:

At least playing high volumes the swings should be over in days rather than weeks.

I'm always happy to see a new FL blog
Good luck

Originally posted by DarthBobo
If you do 25000 hands per month you'll almost be platinumstar. So goldstar shouldn't be a challenge!

I wish you good luck.

You my friend are completely correct. I did my calculations on .5/1 not 1/2 i'm getting on average 35/100 not 17 like i originally planned for. Platinum shouldn't be outta reach but i'll worry about gold first.

nice blog man!

good luck with your goals

Ok so I started this blog today but I figure I mise well update you on my first day of playing. Its a short day since I have to go help my gf move into her new place when she gets off work in 20 minutes.

Playing 6 tables at once after being used to playing one live was a shock to the system. With some bad beats and a few bad plays, I was down $55 within 20 minutes (27.5 Big Bets!). I had 3 sets cracked on rivered gutshots 3 times, all JJJ. That had a big part of the losses.

That is when I settled down and got into my normal groove. I started off winning about 10 small pots in a row and things started to click. Some of my big hands started to hold up (except Aces which got cracked by a turned set near the end of my day) and the comeback began.

Here is my day breakdown:

542 Hands / $36.50 Profit / 3.37 BB/100

$536.50 Online Bankroll

Well so far today I have played in the $11 dollar Deepstack 9am PST tournament at pokerstars. I am posting this to vent before I get into my FL session.

The tournament started off slow with me losing 1/10 of my chips with the second best hand in a limped pot with me having the worst kicker on a top paired hand. From here it went downhill.

I wake up with Kings soon after and I am bet into by MP2. I raise from CO and and I'm called. The flop comes AA7 and MP2s move is to push over for over 4k. I fold.

I'm card dead for about 45 minutes before I pick up Aces in UTG3. UTG1 limps and i raise 4xBB. It folds around to UTG1 who calls. He checks I bet pot. He calls. He checks, board now reads 24J8 rainbow. I raise 3/4 pot. He calls. River is a 7 and he checks. He only had a half stack so i pushed him all in he and calls with J7. Feels like a kick to the face.

After the break I am dealt AK spades in MP3. It folds to me and I raise 4BB. Everyone folds and Button calls. Flop is Kh7s3s. Button checks and I raise pot. At this point I have 1500 chips left or so, so I'm short stacked and button pushes me all in. At this point I think I'm good due to nut flush draw and top pair top kicker. I call. Button holds AA and I cannot spike a K or a Spade and my first tournament of my blog is a huge bust.

I know I played properly and it is just bad luck so I'm going to move on to a solid grind of FL and give an update at the end of the day.

I am liking this blog so far, good read, It will be interesting following a blog from someone who has so much experience in live play.

Well the previous post was about the tournament so I'll carry on from where I left off.

@897 thanks for the kind words, I've seen your input in other blogs and it means a lot to me that you like what you see.

Today FL was somewhat dissapointing. I will get into why in a bit but other than the dissapointing fact, I have never been so excited to play poker in my life. I dont recall having this much fun playing poker ever (except the feeling I got when I won the two tournaments I have previously won).

The fact that I can get so many hands in so fast is intoxicating. I jumped into the PS lobby and joined some waiting lists. I got my six tables started and the day proceeded just like yesterdays start, brutal. I found my first problem that I am going to have to work on, table popping shock. I'm used to easing my way into a game. Getting reads on opponents was something that could be done over minutes during live play. When 6 tables start popping right away you dont have that luxury. I believe I may start 3 and work my way up until I have conquered this problem.

Within 30 minutes I was down $50 again. Then I had a pep talk with myself and smartened up. Over the next two hours I played great poker and was up to a profit of $108 dollars for he day. This is when my second problem started. Winners tilt. I've never had it before do to the cooldown periods you get waiting for hands coming at 35 per hour. When I started to get overconfident I started to make -EV plays.

Over the next 20 minutes I had lost $30 bucks and had to have a pep talk with myself again. Unfortunately when I did I got sucked out huge twice for over $22 and then my third problem started, real tilt. This hurt a little bit more as I didn't realize it soon enough. I dropped all the way down to $0 profit before I had some lunch. The fact that I was starving probubly didn't help the tilt factor.

Anyways over the last hour and a half I played my normal tiltless game. A very nice thing today was that I managed to grind out Silverstar already. This will help with the FPP grind for bonuses.

Here is how the day looked at the end.

1826 Hands / $72.00 Profit / 1.97 BB/100

$597.50 Online Bankroll

this is a great story and easy to read, I'll be keeping informed about your progress and I wish you the best of luck in your career!
all the best
tom

Today I have made a tough decision.

I love tournament poker and consider myself to be great at it. In fact my record in the past shows I have made my most winnings not through cash or SnGs but through tournaments.

Thats all well and good until you have to make a living. Right now I need winnings and I seem to be getting unlucky with making it during tournaments. I once again played in the morning deepstack and all was going good until I got to the bubble.

I had 1.5 times the average stack and I am dealt AA on the button. A mid stack went all in before me and I called hoping to suck a blind into the hand. Lucky for me the BB reraised all in. He covered me which was even better and I called. Shortstack shows QQ and BB shows KK.

The flop came all rags. No runner runner flush potential, no straight draws. Turn comes Q, river comes K making me the big loser.

Its the third suckout in or near the money I've recieved in the last few weeks and got me thinking. I just sat and played this tournament for more than 4 hours. In those 4 hours I could have played 1500+ FL hands in a time where i need the safe income.

My decision to put tournaments aside for at least one month has been made.

On to the ring games now.

Its been an hour since my last post and I need to vent.

I have never seen anything so sick in my life. I'm down 100 bucks in the hour and have monster after monster crushed. QQ crushed by AK 4 bet to the river where an Ace fell. KKK crushed by JT gutshot for 20 bucks. AA crushed in a $49 dollar pot by 85s on a runner runner flush. QQ dominated by AA twice. AJs on a JJ7 board on running into the capper who had 77.... wtf.

And just to end this off. Right now I got heads up against my 85s friend in a 3 bet flop with AKo. Flop comes K92. 3 Bet. Turn is a K. 3 Bet. River is a T. He raises again I just call and he flips over QJo. I'm ready to find this guy in real life and snap his neck. Anyways back to the game.

Originally posted by Verre
And just to end this off. Right now I got heads up against my 85s friend in a 3 bet flop with AKo. Flop comes K92. 3 Bet. Turn is a K. 3 Bet. River is a T. He raises again I just call and he flips over QJo. I'm ready to find this guy in real life and beg him to play WAAAAY more often. Anyways back to the game.

FYP

As hard as it is, you absolutely have to look at beats like this positively.

Did you play correctly in the hand?

If you knew his hand would you have played differently?

Did your reaction to multiple beats tilt you in ANY way - consciously or unconsciously?

Are there improvements to be made?

Is this variance?

Would you rather play against someone overplaying weak draws or someone who always plays correctly against you?

Suckouts, well, suck. Clearly though, you are going to get them often. That is the nature of playing FL v fishes. The trick is to look past the present anger and look only at your game. Sure, shout a few obsenities, stab a teddy bear in the snout with a toothpick, and then play the next hand as best you can.

You know all this of course, but I think sometimes it helps to hear the obvious so we can put our frustration into context. Next time I'm on rabid monkey tilt I'll come back and read this post. Probably.