Badbeats and Suckouts and Tilt, Oh My!

    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      (A new direction has been taken as of September 16 so some of my goals are out of date)

      Hello All,

      I'm Verre and over the last two months my life has been effected by the economic crisis. I lost my job due to lack of work and lack of profit coming into the company I worked for. I looked for another job for 2 weeks solid before I realized there are no companies looking for salesmen in an economy that has no work sites to sell too.

      So starts my new* blog. I started one with no vision and no thought previously but I did not put any effort or thought into it.

      Over the last 2 months since the layoff I have been making my living playing poker. I planned to play online to start with but when I visited the casino the first time after the layoff I made so much winnings that I continued to go there everyday. Overtime I began to realize that my game (although still a winning game at the casino) was starting to slip. I wasn't as efficient as I had been before. I was winning at more than 7.5BB/100 (rough calculation, hard to count hands all day but i did the calculations based on an average of 35 hands an hour) at 3/6 FL but it wasn't enough. There was no bigger games (5/10 was a very rare occurance) so my profits where limited to the amount of time I could spend at the casino.

      If I put in an 8 hour day at the casino at my average winrate I was only clearing 128 dollars a day on average. I found myself playing 1/2 NL when there was no 3/6 games (which happened at times) because the rake at 2/4 was substancially broken. After talking with an opponent who claimed to be a avid internet player, I decided it was time to start studying again and possibly try multiple table FL online.

      In the past I have had minimal success playing on the internet. When playing I never took it seriously. It was always more of a hobby than a job. With my life changing that outlook has to change. At an average of 70 hands per hour online, I can put in double the hands in the same amount of time. If I multi-table 6 tables I'm instantly putting in 12 times as many hands per hour as I was at the casino.

      Now I know expecting a 7.5BB/100 online is ridiculous. Obviously there are players multitabling that only play premium hands unlike the casino where everyone is loose passive.

      So here is where it starts. I purchased Holdem Manager today and will be keeping track of everything. Hopefully I will figure out how to post hands and graphs on here through HM so I can get some insight on my play. I will be making updates on here often.

      Now a reason to read my blog because giving general updates on my life would be too boring for anyone to open up my page.

      I am going to give myself a challenge to prove to myself I can take internet poker seriously and to prove to myself I deserve to move up the limits online. I will start off with exactly $500 in my account. I had previously been playing at Mansion but because I'm a West Coast Canadian I live in PST timezones and by 1PM Ipoker is empty. I am going to switch over to Pokerstars not only for this reason but because they now have Deepstack tournaments that are the most respectable thing ever done to online poker tournaments. It allows skill to play out and I will be keeping tabs on these tournaments when I do play them.

      Starting with $500 dollars means I'll start with 250BBs. I will move up everytime I have 250BBs for the next level. I know goals should be decisive, and profit is vastly important to me at this point because it is my lifeblood but I am going to avoid making any goals as to winrate or profit. I will make the second post with monthly goals that I will update.
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    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Warning, these goals are abolished. Profit is more important than these goals.

      :diamond: Goals :diamond:

      August Goals

      4353/25,000 Hands Played

      1371/3,000 VPPs For GoldStar

      0/12 Workouts (To keep myself in good mental and physical condition)


      2009 Goals

      10,168/125,000 Hands Played

      0/1 Reach and Maintain Gold Star

      0/1 Reach $3/6 Limit using BRM to prove I belong at mid limits online.
    • purplefizz
      purplefizz
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      Joined: 12.03.2008 Posts: 4,508
      good luck! on the tables and in life.
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      you should really learn NL b/c casinos have much higher limits of NL and the players r still pretty bad
    • Irooz
      Irooz
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 690
      Will you be playing FR or SH?


      Goodluck!
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Originally posted by fun101rockets
      you should really learn NL b/c casinos have much higher limits of NL and the players r still pretty bad
      Two reasons I do not. Casinos around here (BC Canada) rarely if ever have higher than 2/5 NL. In fact I personally have never seen it. The second is NL is incredibly swingy live. You can get it all in with Aces preflop and have the guy who just came to the casino to gamble suck you out often. At this point in my life with a bankroll of 3500ish and the incredible need to produce income for myself and my family right now risking that kind of money like that is not wise.

      Also I started off playing NL when I first started playing poker. I'm vastly better at FL but have put in the same if not more time studying NL. I'm the type of person who is incredibly intellegent when it comes to math. Nothing clicks unless there is a proper course of action and with NL I probubly give up a lot of money due to broken odds. Thankfully my reading ability live is quite good and comes to me naturally, or I'd be a losing NL player due to the lack of respect for pot sizes live.

      With all that said the one thing I need to make sure I look after is tilt while playing 6 tables. One suckout may do things to me that may alter my game little by little without me noticing. At a live table where you get 35 hands an hour you have time to think it out and play your A game. Online there is no time because the next hand is aleady waiting for you at another table. Anyone have any input on this? I may not even have this problem anymore now that I take poker seriously, but if I do I may need some advice.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Originally posted by Klee90
      Will you be playing FR or SH?


      Goodluck!
      FR for now. I know SH may be the way of the future but I haven't put any substancial time in playing it. On top of not playing it I've never really studied it either other than watching a few cornholio videos where as I've read multiple books on FR such as Winning Big at Small Stakes and a few others.

      For now I am just going to worry about what I've planned to do for the next 5 months. I dont want to think about switching games when I dont even know how I'll do in them.

      Profit at this point is the most important thing for me since my life is riding on the income i make with poker.
    • DarthBobo
      DarthBobo
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      Joined: 09.09.2007 Posts: 1,134
      If you do 25000 hands per month you'll almost be platinumstar. So goldstar shouldn't be a challenge!

      I wish you good luck.
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Joined: 18.09.2008 Posts: 4,877
      Sincerely, best of luck Verre. :s_thumbsup:

      At least playing high volumes the swings should be over in days rather than weeks.
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,809
      I'm always happy to see a new FL blog :f_love:
      Good luck
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Originally posted by DarthBobo
      If you do 25000 hands per month you'll almost be platinumstar. So goldstar shouldn't be a challenge!

      I wish you good luck.
      You my friend are completely correct. I did my calculations on .5/1 not 1/2 i'm getting on average 35/100 not 17 like i originally planned for. Platinum shouldn't be outta reach but i'll worry about gold first.
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      nice blog man!

      good luck with your goals =)
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Ok so I started this blog today but I figure I mise well update you on my first day of playing. Its a short day since I have to go help my gf move into her new place when she gets off work in 20 minutes.

      Playing 6 tables at once after being used to playing one live was a shock to the system. With some bad beats and a few bad plays, I was down $55 within 20 minutes (27.5 Big Bets!). I had 3 sets cracked on rivered gutshots 3 times, all JJJ. That had a big part of the losses.

      That is when I settled down and got into my normal groove. I started off winning about 10 small pots in a row and things started to click. Some of my big hands started to hold up (except Aces which got cracked by a turned set near the end of my day) and the comeback began.

      Here is my day breakdown:

      542 Hands / $36.50 Profit / 3.37 BB/100

      $536.50 Online Bankroll
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Well so far today I have played in the $11 dollar Deepstack 9am PST tournament at pokerstars. I am posting this to vent before I get into my FL session.

      The tournament started off slow with me losing 1/10 of my chips with the second best hand in a limped pot with me having the worst kicker on a top paired hand. From here it went downhill.

      I wake up with Kings soon after and I am bet into by MP2. I raise from CO and and I'm called. The flop comes AA7 and MP2s move is to push over for over 4k. I fold.

      I'm card dead for about 45 minutes before I pick up Aces in UTG3. UTG1 limps and i raise 4xBB. It folds around to UTG1 who calls. He checks I bet pot. He calls. He checks, board now reads 24J8 rainbow. I raise 3/4 pot. He calls. River is a 7 and he checks. He only had a half stack so i pushed him all in he and calls with J7. Feels like a kick to the face.

      After the break I am dealt AK spades in MP3. It folds to me and I raise 4BB. Everyone folds and Button calls. Flop is Kh7s3s. Button checks and I raise pot. At this point I have 1500 chips left or so, so I'm short stacked and button pushes me all in. At this point I think I'm good due to nut flush draw and top pair top kicker. I call. Button holds AA and I cannot spike a K or a Spade and my first tournament of my blog is a huge bust.

      I know I played properly and it is just bad luck so I'm going to move on to a solid grind of FL and give an update at the end of the day.
    • 8979687
      8979687
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      Joined: 11.11.2008 Posts: 2,225
      I am liking this blog so far, good read, It will be interesting following a blog from someone who has so much experience in live play.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Well the previous post was about the tournament so I'll carry on from where I left off.

      @897 thanks for the kind words, I've seen your input in other blogs and it means a lot to me that you like what you see.

      Today FL was somewhat dissapointing. I will get into why in a bit but other than the dissapointing fact, I have never been so excited to play poker in my life. I dont recall having this much fun playing poker ever (except the feeling I got when I won the two tournaments I have previously won).

      The fact that I can get so many hands in so fast is intoxicating. I jumped into the PS lobby and joined some waiting lists. I got my six tables started and the day proceeded just like yesterdays start, brutal. I found my first problem that I am going to have to work on, table popping shock. I'm used to easing my way into a game. Getting reads on opponents was something that could be done over minutes during live play. When 6 tables start popping right away you dont have that luxury. I believe I may start 3 and work my way up until I have conquered this problem.

      Within 30 minutes I was down $50 again. Then I had a pep talk with myself and smartened up. Over the next two hours I played great poker and was up to a profit of $108 dollars for he day. This is when my second problem started. Winners tilt. I've never had it before do to the cooldown periods you get waiting for hands coming at 35 per hour. When I started to get overconfident I started to make -EV plays.

      Over the next 20 minutes I had lost $30 bucks and had to have a pep talk with myself again. Unfortunately when I did I got sucked out huge twice for over $22 and then my third problem started, real tilt. This hurt a little bit more as I didn't realize it soon enough. I dropped all the way down to $0 profit before I had some lunch. The fact that I was starving probubly didn't help the tilt factor.

      Anyways over the last hour and a half I played my normal tiltless game. A very nice thing today was that I managed to grind out Silverstar already. This will help with the FPP grind for bonuses.

      Here is how the day looked at the end.


      1826 Hands / $72.00 Profit / 1.97 BB/100

      $597.50 Online Bankroll
    • lingwen17
      lingwen17
      Basic
      Joined: 27.07.2009 Posts: 16
      this is a great story and easy to read, I'll be keeping informed about your progress and I wish you the best of luck in your career!
      all the best
      tom
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Today I have made a tough decision.

      I love tournament poker and consider myself to be great at it. In fact my record in the past shows I have made my most winnings not through cash or SnGs but through tournaments.

      Thats all well and good until you have to make a living. Right now I need winnings and I seem to be getting unlucky with making it during tournaments. I once again played in the morning deepstack and all was going good until I got to the bubble.

      I had 1.5 times the average stack and I am dealt AA on the button. A mid stack went all in before me and I called hoping to suck a blind into the hand. Lucky for me the BB reraised all in. He covered me which was even better and I called. Shortstack shows QQ and BB shows KK.

      The flop came all rags. No runner runner flush potential, no straight draws. Turn comes Q, river comes K making me the big loser.

      Its the third suckout in or near the money I've recieved in the last few weeks and got me thinking. I just sat and played this tournament for more than 4 hours. In those 4 hours I could have played 1500+ FL hands in a time where i need the safe income.

      My decision to put tournaments aside for at least one month has been made.

      On to the ring games now.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Its been an hour since my last post and I need to vent.

      I have never seen anything so sick in my life. I'm down 100 bucks in the hour and have monster after monster crushed. QQ crushed by AK 4 bet to the river where an Ace fell. KKK crushed by JT gutshot for 20 bucks. AA crushed in a $49 dollar pot by 85s on a runner runner flush. QQ dominated by AA twice. AJs on a JJ7 board on running into the capper who had 77.... wtf.

      And just to end this off. Right now I got heads up against my 85s friend in a 3 bet flop with AKo. Flop comes K92. 3 Bet. Turn is a K. 3 Bet. River is a T. He raises again I just call and he flips over QJo. I'm ready to find this guy in real life and snap his neck. Anyways back to the game.
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Joined: 18.09.2008 Posts: 4,877
      Originally posted by Verre
      And just to end this off. Right now I got heads up against my 85s friend in a 3 bet flop with AKo. Flop comes K92. 3 Bet. Turn is a K. 3 Bet. River is a T. He raises again I just call and he flips over QJo. I'm ready to find this guy in real life and beg him to play WAAAAY more often. Anyways back to the game.
      FYP :f_p:

      As hard as it is, you absolutely have to look at beats like this positively.

      Did you play correctly in the hand?

      If you knew his hand would you have played differently?

      Did your reaction to multiple beats tilt you in ANY way - consciously or unconsciously?

      Are there improvements to be made?

      Is this variance?

      Would you rather play against someone overplaying weak draws or someone who always plays correctly against you?

      Suckouts, well, suck. Clearly though, you are going to get them often. That is the nature of playing FL v fishes. The trick is to look past the present anger and look only at your game. Sure, shout a few obsenities, stab a teddy bear in the snout with a toothpick, and then play the next hand as best you can.

      You know all this of course, but I think sometimes it helps to hear the obvious so we can put our frustration into context. Next time I'm on rabid monkey tilt I'll come back and read this post. Probably. :f_rolleyes: