Why USA poker players are the best in the world?

    • lichoman1
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      Hi guys!

      Well, this is a strange question I know, but I wonder why the players from the USA are the best poker players in the world..., for example if we search the top poker tournament players on sharkscope , we realise that in the top 100, more than 60% of that ranking are USA players...

      I really dont know why they are so good..., is there any "secret" book, forum, method, strategy... or something else?????

      Its also truth that i have still a lot to learn(one only have to take a look to 2+2 forums and you can realise about that), but i just dont know why they are the best, what make them different???...
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    • mayoctt
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      It's because most of the players are american I think.
    • Dexterrrr
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      1) lot more players in the US
      2) in europe poker isn't as popular as in the US , but the popularity is increasing worldwide soo much these days..
      3) rly dont know anymore good reasons :D but will think of some ..
    • Jackalof
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      Because Koreans are best at Starcraft. USA got zergling rushed and decided to make it up in poker. Simple.
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      Ummm maybe because USA is pritty much the biggest country in the world? So natrually they have a bigger population meaning more people who are really good at what they do, in this case poker.
    • lichoman1
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      Originally posted by PocketAcesJohn
      Ummm maybe because USA is pritty much the biggest country in the world? So natrually they have a bigger population meaning more people who are really good at what they do, in this case poker.
      USA is not the biggest country in the world, its Russia, there are many good poker players in russia too, but very very few good players in China or India.

      I think that couldnt be the reason
    • Berkstajger
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      Well, first you have to define "the best". From statistical point of view, you have to options:

      a) The biggest share of winnings is won by Americans

      b) The biggest share of American players are winning players

      A is true but at the same time B is most likely wrong. I'm speaking merely from my FLSH experiences where tables fill up with fish when Americans wake up, but I think I could generalize that to all game types up to somewhat medium or high limits.

      The reason was already pointed out - Poker is super popular in USA so everyone with internet connection is playing it even if they don't know excactly what they're doing but Tom Dwan seemed really cool check/raising with air on river.

      On the other hand people from smaller country tend to be better players in general because Poker is not yet so widely spread and everyone getting in touch with Holdem is very often introduced to it by some friend or acquintant who already plays it succesfully and therefore a newby is going to learn first instead of just dumping all the chips on the first table he runs to. Of course that is not the case with all the players, but certainly the percentage of that kind of players is bigger than in much bigger/richer countries.

      I can tell from my personal experience that there is a big amount of succesful Slovenian FL players and whenever I ran into random Slovenian on the tables they were playing solid poker at least. The only exception is Germany which produces a vast amount of solid low-medium limit players, but I believe Pokerstrategy could have something to do with that.
    • raun
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      lol if it was a matter of number of inhabitants i think china should be the leading country.

      i think the reason usa is leading is that they simply have the largest number of inhabitants who can afford and who has the time to be playing poker.
    • EagleStar88
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      China & Russia are very much new to poker, only really boomed in recent years.

      USA have by far the most established players.

      If you look at the WSOP results/stats published in the News section of PokerStrategy (can't find the link at the moment), whilst USA had the vast majority of participants (home soil of course), the proportion of winners/ITM was much higher for Europe.

      USA have a lot of great players but also a lot of fish that want to be like the great players.

      Just my thoughts,


      Bart
    • Kruppe
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      finnish players are better imo
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      Originally posted by lichoman1
      Originally posted by PocketAcesJohn
      Ummm maybe because USA is pritty much the biggest country in the world? So natrually they have a bigger population meaning more people who are really good at what they do, in this case poker.
      USA is not the biggest country in the world, its Russia, there are many good poker players in russia too, but very very few good players in China or India.

      I think that couldnt be the reason
      Note i said "pritty much" ;) There are many good players in russia i would agree. LAck of good players in China and India i would put down to there not been many people with disposable income to afford to play poker.
    • Dendra
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      Originally posted by Jackalof
      Because Koreans are best at Starcraft. USA got zergling rushed and decided to make it up in poker. Simple.
      dont give so much credit to americans...koreans in starcraft are a different universe compared to rest of the world, it's not the same case with poker players in usa :)

      europe has top cash and tournament players, it's not that usa players are better, there are just more of them playing :P
    • natethegreat
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      Originally posted by EagleStar88
      China & Russia are very much new to poker, only really boomed in recent years.

      USA have by far the most established players.

      If you look at the WSOP results/stats published in the News section of PokerStrategy (can't find the link at the moment), whilst USA had the vast majority of participants (home soil of course), the proportion of winners/ITM was much higher for Europe.

      USA have a lot of great players but also a lot of fish that want to be like the great players.

      Just my thoughts,


      Bart
      I agree. Poker is much more common in the USA. As a child I played it with my cousins and friends just for fun, just like a lot of other kids. Most of our dads played regular poker games with their friends. When I came to Europe none of the kids played poker until they started showing it on TV.
    • Kruppe
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      Originally posted by Dendra
      Originally posted by Jackalof
      Because Koreans are best at Starcraft. USA got zergling rushed and decided to make it up in poker. Simple.
      dont give so much credit to americans...koreans in starcraft are a different universe compared to rest of the world, it's not the same case with poker players in usa :)

      europe has top cash and tournament players, it's not that usa players are better, there are just more of them playing :P
      US players are easily way better on average than UK and french players. not sure about germany... there are definately a lot of successful german grinders
    • lichoman1
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      Originally posted by Kruppe
      Originally posted by Dendra
      Originally posted by Jackalof
      Because Koreans are best at Starcraft. USA got zergling rushed and decided to make it up in poker. Simple.
      dont give so much credit to americans...koreans in starcraft are a different universe compared to rest of the world, it's not the same case with poker players in usa :)

      europe has top cash and tournament players, it's not that usa players are better, there are just more of them playing :P
      US players are easily way better on average than UK and french players. not sure about germany... there are definately a lot of successful german grinders
      it is interesting that there are many sucessful german grinders, i wonder what is the reason too?...pokerstrategy? :D
    • Justin37
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      These are Some of The Reasons:

      1. America is rich, a lot of people got extra money, compare to China or India.
      $1 can feed a week for a poor family in India.

      2. America got a lot more casino compare the rest of the world, except Macau recently become No1 casino heaven, but Chinese most of them dont play Holdem.

      3. Religion, well most country with Islam/Muslim religion dont play poker or dont even have casino ( Gambling Is Haram). Punishment is Death. There are over 1 billion muslim in this world.
      *If gambling is not haram, i think we can see somebody from Arab losing over $100m in 1 day and a lot of fish from there too:) .

      4.Internet connection? Some country dont even have 10% internet connection. Dont say about poker, internet also some people dont even know.

      5. Of course, USA is Land Of Oppotunity :)
    • arisko
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      Originally posted by Justin37

      *If gambling is not haram, i think we can see somebody from Arab losing over $100m in 1 day and a lot of fish from there too:) .
      ...
      5. Of course, USA is Land Of Oppotunity :)
      what country do you mean when you say arab? there are arabic countries where christianity is a major religion too. you were probably thinking that "arabs are from arab, they speak arab, eat arab, and do arab".

      Other reasons can be that the U.S. is the founding country of the game. The american culture like Justin said is that it is the land of oportunity. I believe, without any statistics to back it up, that Americans gamble more than, let's say, swedes like me.

      Swedish poker players are generally also good, it's just that our population is so much smaller with only 9 million people and only like 3 casinos in the whole country all owned by the state.

      Other than that, it could be that there are foreign pros that have moved to america to play poker there instead of in their home country.
    • Kimber88
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      Originally posted by raun
      lol if it was a matter of number of inhabitants i think china should be the leading country.

      i think the reason usa is leading is that they simply have the largest number of inhabitants who can afford and who has the time to be playing poker.
      China won't be the leading country anytime soon. If their so-called government thinks it's the least bit dangerous for the nation's "security" they will block it. Kinda like Google.
    • VheroM
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      No one has yet pointed out how poker has been a part of American folk-culture for or already a few hundred years. In films or in books it's not uncommon to find police officers, family fathers or a group of criminals playing a little 5-card draw or stud on a friday night.

      Due to this a very much larger portion of Americans get in touch with poker and start to play it. So therefore a larger portion of American players will go far in the game.

      On top of this the majority of big world-class tournaments are played in the states. WSOP and plenty of WPT-tournaments to name a few. It's somewhat different to fly from Rome, Helsinki or Moscow to play in a tournament than drive 200-300 miles to do the same.

      I dont think that American players are the best in the world, but due to their number and other factors they are as a group the winningest players in the world.
    • Justin37
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      [quote]Originally posted by arisko
      Originally posted by Justin37

      *If gambling is not haram, i think we can see somebody from Arab losing over $100m in 1 day and a lot of fish from there too:) .
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      5. Of course, USA is Land Of Oppotunity :)
      what country do you mean when you say arab? there are arabic countries where christianity is a major religion too. you were probably thinking that "arabs are from arab, they speak arab, eat arab, and do arab".

      quote]

      I mean most of them.