[Closed] nl100sh i won the leveling war

A call is much much much more looking stronger as u have position and if you imagine yourself sitting there with Jx, you probably call there as well since a 5bet puts him into folding all bluffs/trash mode since he knows enough then

Obv. if you have Jx here, you 5bet against this guy methinks

well i dont think a call looks stronger, because a thinking reg (like him) will know that i will call here with almost any pp, air, anything i would like to float him with and that is why i went for a raise

Originally posted by silent21
because a thinking reg (like him) will know that i will call here with almost any pp, air, anything i would like to float him with

Okey so you do that, what do you do on a Turn barrel from him?
I mean if he knows that, he knows that you have to fold on later streets and given frequencies, he plays imo perfect then

u mean what to do if he calls my raise and then barrel the turn? well most probably i will fold but ofcourse it depdnds on the size of the bet, i might decide to minraise or shove him

Are u betting the turn to induce a shove?

Originally posted by maya1984
Are u betting the turn to induce a shove?

the pot is quite big now, on the turn my intention was to bet such amount that will show him i am trying to set up a nice almost 2/3 potsize bet left. if he c/r obv i am folding

Originally posted by silent21

Originally posted by maya1984
Are u betting the turn to induce a shove?

the pot is quite big now, on the turn my intention was to bet such amount that will show him i am trying to set up a nice almost 2/3 potsize bet left. if he c/r obv i am folding

then I hate it...
It's pointless if you plan on folding. The reasons to bet in that spot is either to induce a bluff or tp capitalize the dead money (which is partly a protection against oc)
Turning your hand into a bluff just wont' work on that card, he shouldn't and he wouldn't fold any hand that beats you (9x,Jx and QQ+)

If you think he 3betbluffs a lot I just shove it in on the flop.
If he's 3betbluffing he can't do anything about your shove whereas once you call the flop you're in a pure guessing game if he bets.

Furthermore you protect a bit by shoving.

Originally posted by Bierbaer
If you think he 3betbluffs a lot I just shove it in on the flop.
If he's 3betbluffing he can't do anything about your shove whereas once you call the flop you're in a pure guessing game if he bets.

Furthermore you protect a bit by shoving.

This definitely.
Assuming he is a very good thinking nl100 reg you decide to balance your raise range of J+ with A8 and small pockets. When he 3bets he levels again and shoving here with all your range is the bets option.

nh, i am proud of u shoving F doesnt have too much sense coz you just risk more to win the same, your play for the levelling purposes is abs the best.

Originally posted by Bierbaer
If he's 3betbluffing he can't do anything about your shove whereas once you call the flop you're in a pure guessing game if he bets.

Furthermore you protect a bit by shoving.

That's bad reasoning for a shove.

Originally posted by maya1984

Originally posted by Bierbaer
If he's 3betbluffing he can't do anything about your shove whereas once you call the flop you're in a pure guessing game if he bets.

Furthermore you protect a bit by shoving.

That's bad reasoning for a shove.

I thought of it again and I agree. Not sure about what I was thinking exactly in the moment I wrote the reply, but now since I read TLNs post (we risk much less by calling than by shoving) I also thought of our range again.
And I think since we would no shove trips+ on the flop we can represent Jx a lot better by calling and betting turn than by shoving.