[Closed] $12 AQo SB raise or shove pre?

yeh just a little bit of an overshove. i like raising. your size looks good.

Is raising to ~425 and shoving every flop an option?

Originally posted by viewer88
Is raising to ~425 and shoving every flop an option?

yeh thats good. probably only against loose passive unknowns.

Originally posted by lessthanthreee

Originally posted by viewer88
Is raising to ~425 and shoving every flop an option?

yeh thats good. probably only against loose passive unknowns.

but what if both call and we miss....c/f?

no... if we raise 425 the plan is to shove EVERY flop. even when we miss. the 425 pre is a value raise setting us up for a flop shove. you cant fold when you miss because you are purposely committing yourself pre-flop

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
no... if we raise 425 the plan is to shove EVERY flop. even when we miss. the 425 pre is a value raise setting us up for a flop shove. you cant fold when you miss because you are purposely committing yourself pre-flop

So we raise enough so that we only have 1 psb on the flop assuming we get one caller.

interesting line, never played this way before.

isnt' that hand and position too bad for us to raise to 240 ? Shouldn't it be something like 300 rather ?

Originally posted by elhh82

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
no... if we raise 425 the plan is to shove EVERY flop. even when we miss. the 425 pre is a value raise setting us up for a flop shove. you cant fold when you miss because you are purposely committing yourself pre-flop

So we raise enough so that we only have 1 psb on the flop assuming we get one caller.

interesting line, never played this way before.

exactly.

Originally posted by elhh82

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
no... if we raise 425 the plan is to shove EVERY flop. even when we miss. the 425 pre is a value raise setting us up for a flop shove. you cant fold when you miss because you are purposely committing yourself pre-flop

So we raise enough so that we only have 1 psb on the flop assuming we get one caller.

interesting line, never played this way before.

Yeah it's not always the best line, but in some spots it's the best way to deal with the awkward pot/stack relation that's so common in OOP situations.

yes, very important to note that im not suggesting you do it as a default just because you are oop with a weird stack size. but it is an option if you feel it will get you more value from the correct opponents.

in this spot i just isolate the std size and b/c ,b/f or c/f --- delay cbet depending on the board and my opponent/s