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[Closed] NL100 Rush - QJs - spew

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
BB ($107)
UTG ($81.50)
UTG+1 ($52.70)
Hero ($187)
BTN ($101)

Dealt to Hero J♦ Q♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to $4, fold, fold, BB raises to $12.50, Hero calls $8.50

FLOP ($25.50) 9♦ K♣ 2♥

BB bets $14, Hero raises to $33, BB calls $19

TURN ($91.50) 9♦ K♣ 2♥ 9♥

BB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($91.50) 9♦ K♣ 2♥ 9♥ 7♥

BB bets $62.30 (AI), Hero folds

My play looks like total spew. V 24/18/4, wts 0, 69 hs. 3b 6%
Not sure what I was doing...
Thought when I raised on flop villain would have a hard time with TT-QQ and that we could barrel any :diamond: or T. But I think villain is not deep enough for this play and I should just fold on the flop.

Can we even call this hand pre? What kind of stack size would we need to consider call the 3b pre with suited broadway ip?

thanks


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

You rep only airballs on that flop, so it doensn't make any sense. Your best Kx is KQ and you prolly aren't raising it on that board also it doesn't make any sense to raise a set, so absolutely no reason to raise. That's just a bad board for your range and good for your villains. Calling pre vs. 6% range is prolly -ev, but obviously if he's 3betting double of that in these positions it becomes better.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Shevtshenko
Calling pre vs. 6% range is prolly -ev, but obviously if he's 3betting double of that in these positions it becomes better.

+1
This pretty much depends on what he's 3betting OOP.
In general I like to fold this since most people 3bet broadways OOP and with QJ we're just always dominated (except if he 3bet JTs).

As played I don't really mind the raise. We can not call, but we can get AQ and AJ to fold.
They make up for 12 combinations each, KQ has 9, AK has 12. KK and AA have 3 and 6, so overall we can get 24 to fold and 30 to call - it's +EV to raise since we put in 33 to win 72.

And we didn't even account for the potequity we have in case he just flats the raise and gives us 1 or even 2 freecards.


I dont liek raise at all...
I would call cause we have equity and I am ready to float and represent stronger range
why woudl I raise? yes, he will fold some better hands but we have equity and he may 3bet us and our equity is wasted....
I d rather call and ship over his turnbet if he abrrels a lot or bet/bet when eh checks (this may be spew but it has a reason behind it :) )