Originally posted by supeyrio
@ bierbaer: hi thks for your evaluation. Question is, vs is wide resteal range, what hands can we play profitably? I thought middling sc would give me good postflop playability IP.
Players at this limit do tend to prefer erring to the aggression side, esp in late - blinds position.
Ok so I wrote a post and then started "Propokertooling".
First I'll post my initial reasoning:
"Imo broadway hands are better to play back at a range like this (unless you're 4betbluffing in which case you can obv take any2 theoretically).
The reason is because when he 3bets hands like K9s you dominate it with KJo while you are dominated when holding 98s.
Also you should consider that 98s is more of a drawing hand so it relies on implied odds which you have against a strong range but not against a semiloose restealingrange. Of course you can argue you have some foldequity against the looser range, but as a matter of fact you're likely to not make enough moves postflop to compensate for this."
Ok and here's what I found out afterwards:
1) Our equity with 98s and KJo is about the same against a 10% range as well as an 8% range:
Hold'em Simulation ?
2,260,241,280 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
kjo 34.39% 741,837,816 70,765,188
10% 65.61% 1,447,638,276 70,765,188
Hold'em Simulation ?
856,152,000 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
98s 34.46% 292,288,752 5,488,612
10% 65.54% 558,374,636 5,488,612
Hold'em Simulation ?
671,223,168 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
98s 33.58% 223,426,728 3,907,892
8% 66.42% 443,888,548 3,907,892
Hold'em Simulation ?
1,828,740,672 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
kjo 32.34% 583,106,460 16,634,448
8% 67.66% 1,228,999,764 16,634,448
After seeig this I'd still argue that KJo plays better against an active restealer since it's a lot easier to capitalize on our equity when we hit:
F.e. with KJ on a J94 flop we can win some money from JT, QJ whereas with 98s on 984 there are a lot more scarecards when the opponent has something like K9 and additionally he is likely not putting as much money in the pot because there are more overpairs in our range (not to mention that we will flop 2pair more seldomly than a TP).
Hope this helps :-).
Edit: one more thing about the playability: 98s doesn't have good playability, quite the opposite. Of course if we flop an OESD or FD the playability is great, but in 3bet pots the 1pair hands are much more important because the stack to pot ratio is much smaller. And with 98 when we hit 1pair it will be a lot tougher to play than with KJ.
