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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($257)
BB ($107)
UTG ($147)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
CO ($125)
Hero ($292)

Dealt to Hero T♠ J♠

UTG calls $1, fold, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, fold, fold, UTG calls $3

FLOP ($13.50) 8♣ 2♣ 9♥

UTG bets $9.50, CO calls $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

TURN ($42) 8♣ 2♣ 9♥ 7♣

UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $25, UTG folds, CO raises to $111 (AI), Hero??

utg unknown.
CO also basically unknown: 33/27, wts 17, 73 hands (German, probably a reg of some kind).

I call pre because I am deep with both - think it's okay.
Turn is kind of grotesque. Not sure about my bet size... maybe it induce something?

Question is whether villain is likely to shove with over pairs with :club: and any set or only a turned flush?

thanks


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

B/f turn.
Every draw gets there, he is never ever bluffing because he's way too afraid of the flush.
You could make it a bit bigger, but imo giving them the illusion of having the odds to call with some single-card FD is fine, too.


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

B/f turn. Every draw gets there, he is never ever bluffing because he's way too afraid of the flush.

You said villain is never bluffing here (because he is way too afraid of the flush), but if we fold we have to put him on exactly the flush since that is the only hand that beats us and I dont understand why he would shove the nuts on the turn for 2x pot - wouldnt he generate way too much f/eQ against the hands he wants action from?

Anyway, I called and villain showed KxK :club: for overpair and 2nd nut flushdraw. An argument for our making it smaller is that we can induce from such hands - but then ofc, we have to call the shove.

Do you agree that his line is pretty spewy without reads on my turn betting range?

thx


supeyrio
Joined: 11.11.2009

why do you always like to induce a raise with your sizing? :P

anyhow i'd bet bigger to get value from redraws(those who overestimate their implied odds or have some SD like KK) and from sets that are afraid of flush. but like you said, he's a little out of line to c/rAI on the turn. i ithink i like the call here if he's reg.
but if he's fish, i'm inclined to fold.


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

why do you always like to induce a raise with your sizing?

I am a fish.

What happens is I feel like I should bet to protect/get value but Im too pu**y to bet properly. So everyone thinks I'm weak and raises me all the time and I have to make a bunch or rlly disgusting thin calls which stresses the sh*t out of me.

:rolleyes:


Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

I think your sizing was the thing he c/RAI with as I think you would have bet bigger with le flush


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Tim64

B/f turn. Every draw gets there, he is never ever bluffing because he's way too afraid of the flush.

You said villain is never bluffing here (because he is way too afraid of the flush), but if we fold we have to put him on exactly the flush since that is the only hand that beats us and I dont understand why he would shove the nuts on the turn for 2x pot - wouldnt he generate way too much f/eQ against the hands he wants action from?

Anyway, I called and villain showed KxK :club: for overpair and 2nd nut flushdraw. An argument for our making it smaller is that we can induce from such hands - but then ofc, we have to call the shove.

Do you agree that his line is pretty spewy without reads on my turn betting range?

thx

His line is not too spewy, I like it a lot vs most regs because they are in b/f mode on the turn (as I am).
Of course in this case theoretically you're exploitable because you bet/fold so much, but there are hardly any regs who bluff in this spot - if it was common for regs to shove it in with hands like KcKx we could of course not b/f that easily anymore.