[Closed] PLO25, nut fd + bottom 2p on 654 flop

Personally, I wonder why you bet the flop vs the whole table? Sure, you have a strong hand with potentially up to 15 outs (if I can calculate right; and mostly against 65 without draw), but it is very difficult for you to get it in against hands that are significantly behind. More often you're against the straight or a set, if you are going to get action, so I would personally prefer a check raise. A free card cannot hurt your hand, as you hold the nut flush draw.

And I also wonder about the turn bet. What hands do you believe opponent called the flop with and is willing to get it in on that turn card? I think it is very hard for the opponent to call that turn with weaker draws or even the straight, unless the opponent is known to go broke loose before.

Originally posted by Jim9137
Personally, I wonder why you bet the flop vs the whole table? Sure, you have a strong hand with potentially up to 15 outs (if I can calculate right; and mostly against 65 without draw), but it is very difficult for you to get it in against hands that are significantly behind.

That's not a reason to not bet. You're not interested in getting it in vs a worse hand, you're interested in protecting your investment when you hit a nice flop (which this is).

The reason we bet the turn is our hand is underrepresented. It looks a lot like AA (which it is) and given all we have left is a pot bet, might as well make that bet as it looks super bluffy.

Of course there are times opponent has 66 here, but we're not ever folding this turn so the only choice is to bet and since we are never getting rep for a full house here we can get called light.

More often than not 4 opponents have missed this board, it's unlikely for someone to have a set here, it's more likely to be up against a straight however, which is why I support the turn shove.

I personally would have bet only around half the pot, and try to induce action from weaker hands like overpairs or draws, and of course the straight, who may call lured in by the good odds and then faced with a small shove on a large pot in the river. Betting the whole pot on the turn, I don't know, it just looks very nutty to me, especially after the flop bet. If hero had straight, would he betting so big, and if hero bet the flop with bare AA, would he be betting the turn, and more importantly, what types of hand does the hero think I/opponent has after making the call on the flop that he thinks I can fold? I'd probably go tank-broke if I had the straight versus it anyway, but I'm such a fish.

As for the flop bet, I suppose it's alright as protection, but I still would probably check, just because I think you get more value on the turn if the flush comes or you can shut out the field vs a late position stab with what may amount to be the best hand, against a hand like overpair with worse flush draw or 678x types of hand which may think they are committed.