[Closed] views on this hand please jj

In my experience, when PPL donk over-bet shove flop ~ 1 x pot - 1.5x pot ; they either have top pair (mid -low kicker) or some strong draw (maybe combo draw) I suppose the logic, is that they will not have much FE if they shove over your Cbet and that the flop is likely to have missed your presumed range.

Therefore, I would fold Js if were in your spot. If you give him a range of:
ATs, A9s, A7s-A2s,QTs+,J9s+,97s,KJo,K9o,K7o-K4o you have a -EV call.

If he things you will level yourself into a light call, or you are a station, he will have more value than semi-bluffing hands and it gets very -EV.

Since, spots like that are very read dependent they tend to get very high variance, since you are way behind with mid pair or slight favorite if he has more semi bluffing hands.

Also worth mentioning, I am not a fan of you 3x pre at t1.6K, you have ~12.7BB, you are better of min raising. If you are not comfortable post flop with Js you can always push all in pre.

I hope this helps ♠_grin:

And lastly, imo is better off not to post the showdown.

imo 2-2,5x pre
fold flop u need like ~35% EQ to break even and even vs his crazy loose range

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 29.454 % 29.111 % 0.687 % 70.202 % JsJh
Player 2: 70.546 % 70.202 % 0.687 % 29.111 % AA, QQ, TT, 88, AhKh, AhQh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, K8s+, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, QTs+, J9s, T8s, 9s7s, 9h7h, KTo+, QJo

u dont have that eq

yeah I'll agree. of course his shove makes not real sense in that spot. and i sometimes see completely misplayet hands like 10x, complete air or stuff. but generally if we give him a reasonable range you need to fold in that spot! and i raise smaller pre -> 3,3-3,5k is enough for me here. i don't want to blew a huge pot especially when i need to play often oop in that spot. you leave yourself much more options playing postflop.

greets