[Closed] Overpair 3b pot, river pairs

You can't fold overpair in 3-bet pots so easily... We're getting too good odds. Your river bet looks too weird and ready to fold vs a shove. Any thinking reg will shove you there. Also, why are you betting so small on a semi-wet board?

I'm snap calling that river given the odds. Win or lose, the note on the unknown reg will be worth it.

Not really sure why you say that there is no point shoving wo history. To me that's the standart play with the nuts, FD.

Your sizing on the river (I like the flop and turn sizings) here looks like you are scared of the river and you didnt really know what to do etc...
I agree that BU will shove a lot here if he knows you can fold decent holdings.

c/f imo.

What worse hand can we get value from? All tens beat us, JJ has the boat, 89s got there on the turn. 99 will most likely check back (and so will worse hands too, assuming he is a fish). And you can't exclude KK-AA in his range either since he is probably not expecting you to ship that many worse hands preflop (or bluff) over a 4bet.

Only hands I could see you getting value from are AJ,KJs that decided to float the flop (not too likely though due to the face that you are both unknown to each other).

A few flushdraw missed though, but against a reg you can often assume that he raises them on the flop.

So basically if you go for the c/C line on the river you are hoping that a missed flushdraws bets, or AJ that valuebets thinly.

All in all, I'd say you are crushed against his range, which is why I'd go for the c/f, although it sucks..

To me that's the standart play with the nuts, FD.

Everything seems to be the nuts nowadays ♦

Originally posted by Maniatrix

To me that's the standart play with the nuts, FD.

Everything seems to be the nuts nowadays ♦

Not saying that QQ here is the nuts btw

Originally posted by axelphoney
c/f imo.

What worse hand can we get value from? All tens beat us, JJ has the boat, 89s got there on the turn. 99 will most likely check back (and so will worse hands too, assuming he is a fish). And you can't exclude KK-AA in his range either since he is probably not expecting you to ship that many worse hands preflop (or bluff) over a 4bet.

+1.
River is std c/fold here.
We can't get value from worst hands.
Also check will induce less bluffs in villains range, than this bet size on the river.

Originally posted by Ico0o

Originally posted by axelphoney
c/f imo.

What worse hand can we get value from? All tens beat us, JJ has the boat, 89s got there on the turn. 99 will most likely check back (and so will worse hands too, assuming he is a fish). And you can't exclude KK-AA in his range either since he is probably not expecting you to ship that many worse hands preflop (or bluff) over a 4bet.

+1.
River is std c/fold here.
We can't get value from worst hands.
Also check will induce less bluffs in villains range, than this bet size on the river.
Agree with everything above.

Besides that I consider c/shoving turn to get the money in right away - this way we protect more (aggro opponents will usually bet all hands with equity, i.e. draws) and therefore get max value right away.
And additonal to that we avoid the ugly riverspots when 6, 8, 9 or any heart hit.

Yeah I personally like sizing up until river.

@Bierbaer: is it ur std to ch/ship the turn then?

Originally posted by fusionpk
@Bierbaer: is it ur std to ch/ship the turn then?

In this spot vs regs w/o further reads, yes.