Help me understand the VIP system

Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only $4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200
Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

Total: $40,462.58
$/VPP: $0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying $4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.

You can find more info about Stellar and Milestone rewards @ Pokerstars page, sorry can't post links because Pokerstars page doesn't load for me now.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask

Ye, as previous poster said. Most your cash will come from buying the $4000 bonuses in the VIP shop - though you are free to spend on tournament tickets instead. Ofcourse, the $4k purchases will give you the greatest rakeback, you can play around in the calculator to see the differences depending on what you buy.

You'll also have money basically thrown at you as well for unlocking their stellar and milestone rewards.

Good luck with the 100K+ hands a month.

Thank you Bigniux

Thank you Bigniux for the detailed reply, made it all clear.

You're welcome

120k hands a month!!!

wow, how mnay tables and how many hours a day?

I'm hoping that 40-45hrs a week and 10 tables will be enough. If not I can play 12 tables, but don't want to play 50 or more hrs a week. Ideally I'd be able to move to 200nl in a couple of months.

Originally posted by Bigniux
Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only $4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200
Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

Total: $40,462.58
$/VPP: $0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying $4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.

You can find more info about Stellar and Milestone rewards @ Pokerstars page, sorry can't post links because Pokerstars page doesn't load for me now.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask

Quality reply.I am extremley new to forums and internet chatting in general but i jst want to say that i think it is incredibly nice of someone to spend there time and effort replying in such an in depth way to somebody that i assume they do not know and expect nothing in return.Kudos to you Bigniux what a stand up guy.

Originally posted by xlesleyx

Originally posted by Bigniux
Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only $4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200
Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

Total: $40,462.58
$/VPP: $0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: $27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ $0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying $4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: $1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: $11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.

You can find more info about Stellar and Milestone rewards @ Pokerstars page, sorry can't post links because Pokerstars page doesn't load for me now.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask

Quality reply.I am extremley new to forums and internet chatting in general but i jst want to say that i think it is incredibly nice of someone to spend there time and effort replying in such an in depth way to somebody that i assume they do not know and expect nothing in return.Kudos to you Bigniux what a stand up guy.

+1 million!

This is why PokerStrategy is the absolute nuts imho