the big $11

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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9 Players
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$10+$1

Stacks:
UTG Guillo666 3,000
UTG+1 Solst|ce007 3,000
MP1 marvinsytan 3,000
MP2 Hapupien 3,570
MP3 cyberturn 3,030
CO marioborges 2,450
BTN SITENMORGAN 2,970
SB wishandwin 2,980
BB reins77 3,000

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 9 players) marvinsytan is MP1 Qc Ad
2 folds, marvinsytan raises to 140, 1 fold, cyberturn calls 140, 4 folds

Flop: Kc 8h 5c (310, 2 players)
marvinsytan bets 169, cyberturn calls 169

everything's normal i cbet he floats

Turn: Ah (648, 2 players)
marvinsytan bets 349, cyberturn raises to 820, marvinsytan calls 471

the turn i double barrel hitting top pair he 3bets me... what do you think guys is this a fold or a shove?

i dont know his range and where just in the begginning of the tournament

i just flats hoping to get something at the river which is very slim but i know already if he continues aggression i just have to fold so early in the tournament. i'm hoping that if he is weak he will just check the river

did i make a good 3bet call then fold riverbet or i should have just 4bet shove him or should have fold from his 3bet right there and there?

my reason for flatting is he might check the river if he have a weak ace.
i dont have a read on him because i think this is the 2nd hand of the tourney so I'm baffled.

lost a chunk of my chips so early in the tournament which is not good for me.

First thing first make separate threads for two different hands

Hand 1:
Calling preflop is fine with a hand that flops well. It is a plus when you have multiple opponents (like 5) going to a flop that means you must hit the flop harder.

On the Flop
In a 5-way pot I simply don't think you hit the flop hard enough. Initial raiser may have you beat and the opponents behind could have easily hit a set. The hand looks strong here with TPGK but with so many opponents in the hand you have to play cheaply or get out. Unfortunately with your chip stack this isn't cheap and I'd be forced to fold flop.

On the Turn
One of the best turns you could see because it gives you outs against any hand in this situation that your opponents could be holding. I would be very wary of the flatter behind me so once it is checked to me I check back for pot control if at all possible here. Chances are villain will bet here but hopefully not to much and the beauty of this check here is you get to see what the initial raiser is going to do in the process. Once he folds it becomes a little bit clearer of a situation. If it goes bet from Hap then a call or raise from wishand then it is an easy fold.

HAND 2:
Lower your raise size preflop to 60 or 80 here... you can only cause problems raising so much and you might tie yourself to a hand you shouldn't be.

On the Flop
I'm okay with a cbet and the sizing is ok I would probably go smaller here with 150 or so. Check folding may be to weak but at the same time 310 isn't really a pot worth fighting for either.

On the turn
We are bloating a pot up out of position here and once we spike an ace I would rather check for pot control and see if I can get to a showdown. Position is VERY important and is really detrimental in this hand. Against his raise this looks like a set to me. I don't think bet folding is a good option which is why I lean to check calling here.

I think this situation could have been avoided a bit if you took a little bit more caution from playing out of position.

Hope these answers helped! and GL

Originally posted by AaronLambert
First thing first make separate threads for two different hands

Hand 1:
Calling preflop is fine with a hand that flops well. It is a plus when you have multiple opponents (like 5) going to a flop that means you must hit the flop harder.

On the Flop
In a 5-way pot I simply don't think you hit the flop hard enough. Initial raiser may have you beat and the opponents behind could have easily hit a set. The hand looks strong here with TPGK but with so many opponents in the hand you have to play cheaply or get out. Unfortunately with your chip stack this isn't cheap and I'd be forced to fold flop.

On the Turn
One of the best turns you could see because it gives you outs against any hand in this situation that your opponents could be holding. I would be very wary of the flatter behind me so once it is checked to me I check back for pot control if at all possible here. Chances are villain will bet here but hopefully not to much and the beauty of this check here is you get to see what the initial raiser is going to do in the process. Once he folds it becomes a little bit clearer of a situation. If it goes bet from Hap then a call or raise from wishand then it is an easy fold.

HAND 2:
Lower your raise size preflop to 60 or 80 here... you can only cause problems raising so much and you might tie yourself to a hand you shouldn't be.

On the Flop
I'm okay with a cbet and the sizing is ok I would probably go smaller here with 150 or so. Check folding may be to weak but at the same time 310 isn't really a pot worth fighting for either.

On the turn
We are bloating a pot up out of position here and once we spike an ace I would rather check for pot control and see if I can get to a showdown. Position is VERY important and is really detrimental in this hand. Against his raise this looks like a set to me. I don't think bet folding is a good option which is why I lean to check calling here.

I think this situation could have been avoided a bit if you took a little bit more caution from playing out of position.

Helps a lot thank you so much at least it gives me an idea what to do next time
Hope these answers helped! and GL