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1/2$ TT c/raised on F

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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Villain is playing 46/15 over 14 hands. No further reads.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($213)
BB ($228)
UTG ($172)
UTG+1 ($236)
Hero ($200)
BTN ($212)

Dealt to Hero T♠ T♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, fold, BB calls $4

FLOP ($13) 6♣ 9♦ 2♦

BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $16, Hero calls $8

TURN ($45) 6♣ 9♦ 2♦ 5♥

BB checks, Hero bets $38, BB calls $38

RIVER ($121) 6♣ 9♦ 2♦ 5♥ 2♥

BB bets $168 (AI), Hero calls $140 (AI)


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jmackenzie
Joined: 04.06.2008

folding turn or calling down both seem fine to me


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Originally posted by jmackenzie
folding turn or calling down both seem fine to me

why? and which do you prefer?


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jmackenzie
Joined: 04.06.2008

UGHHHHH.... that was said thnking the fish continued ott but you bet..

imo river is a call and nh altogether

Can expect alot of random 9x, 6x+fd button clicks plus the obv busted fd's maybe even some 3 pair bets...


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getdotacom
Joined: 06.04.2008

I'd play same way most likely. We're playing our hand, not poker in most cases against a fish and overpair = nuts :) I think he has 2x or busted fd on river ..., but still calling


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

This looks an awful lot like 87 to me.
Generally I found c/c - big_donkbet lines to be strong hands for the most part.
I think 2x is rather unlikely after the turn-c/c, but there are not many other hands he'd:
- first check-minraise -> c/minr is either for FEQ [draw] or value
- then c/c -> indicates SD-value
- then donkbets
-> His range is filtered for SD value as bluffs are not c/calling the turn and draws are probably also in "aggro-or-fold-mode", meaning that they're either leading, c/raising or c/folding - most fish on NL 100 have at least heard of odds&outs and don't call too much against their odds.

So to me it's a fold on the river.


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

i think 87 c/jams turn almost alw. And i don't rly expect 87 to c/r F.

Imo, set is deffo possible if this guy was a nitty fish and thinking that c/mr F for value, c/c T because i could have 87 and go AI on R when he boats up so that i don't chk back.

But given his stats, i didn't give him credit for being a nitty fish and having that thought process.

Also, my plan was to bet/fold on T, so i deffo didn't expect him to c/jam with a draw. Any thoughts on 3betting the F? Also, i don't expect this type of guy to c/f hands like 6dxd, 5dxd, 7dxd, 9x with a str8 draw etc. so he's going to have plenty of stuff to bluff with on R. I still only need to be good 35% of time.


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

I don't like 3bet flop too much as we're IP and I think he's folding quite a bit vs the 3bet (i.e. he folds all bluffs obv and some marginal draws that he'd bet again).


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

What did he have here btw? flush draw?


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Villain had 94s.


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getdotacom
Joined: 06.04.2008

LOL! He rivered 2pair and thought he has nuts :DDD


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

What would we do here if he'd c/r(shove) the turn?

btw after giving it some thought, river is imo a call. I think many fish often have a tendancy of see these paired boards as excellent opportunities to pull of a bluff, and if they have a hand worse than trips they are often deterred when the board pairs as they are lousy handreaders, whcih makes it more likely that they'd check a worse hand. A lot of generalasing yes, but I still think it's a pretty common "fishthinking", at least from what I've experienced.


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Vs a c/r on the turn we have an easy fold imo.


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Vs a c/r on the turn we have an easy fold imo.

with this betsizing yea, agreed.

is there any sizing betsizing on T that after betting you'd do something else than fold?


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Shevtshenko

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Vs a c/r on the turn we have an easy fold imo.

with this betsizing yea, agreed.

is there any sizing betsizing on T that after betting you'd do something else than fold?

Nope, vs a c/c-c/r line we're pretty much always crushed I think.


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