Up Up and away :) One step at a time. [Updated: 2012-01-25]

Deposited 40$ instead of 60$ will be enough i think

don't cashout in nl2-nl10 ♦

Originally posted by slipkn6t
don't cashout in nl2-nl10 ♦

Why not? ♦

Originally posted by rap1dw1n3r

Originally posted by slipkn6t
don't cashout in nl2-nl10 ♦

Why not? ♦

because by cashing out those $30-$150 you are delaying your growth by limits. And those $30-$150 are just not worth it. The less you cashout in micro limits, the sooner you skip them, the more money you make in the longterm.

Originally posted by slipkn6t

Originally posted by rap1dw1n3r

Originally posted by slipkn6t
don't cashout in nl2-nl10 ♦

Why not? ♦

because by cashing out those $30-$150 you are delaying your growth by limits. And those $30-$150 are just not worth it. The less you cashout in micro limits, the sooner you skip them, the more money you make in the longterm.

Well yeh that does make sense but I think that this cashing out thing is kinda the safer way to make money. I mean One you cashed out twice you already will start making money and if you go on a down swing or run on a bad luck (like a do all the time) you will now loose any money since you have already cashed it out. And yeh it will take longer but I think after the first cash out of the 31$ it will be quite fast to reach the next limit. Because for starters currently I need to win 70$ profit, then for the next cash out i need to win only 41$ and for the next two 41$ and 42$ accordingly. And these amounts are not that hard to reach if you don't run into bad luck for the sake of making money Of course time will show if I will have the patience to grind all that money at micros because atm they seem impossible to beat. Of course bad luck for me play a role atm :DD Anyway I hope that I will be able to beat this curse called the micro limits ♦

Yeh micros are unbeatable... keep grinding winning small pots but loosing every all-in to fish that get lucky ;/

Doing mathematically good plays, and playing enough hands you see you have done very very good profit. Dont focus on the all in 60-40 loss, focus another hands in the session where you can have leak. Dont bluff, play abc and you will have nice profit. Every time you go all in like 60-40 against fish and fish wins, you still do profit. When you have been 100 times in that kind of all-in the result is that you have wonned that 60 times and lost 40 times. I believe micro stakes can be beated, and going to prove it! Mikro stakes profit can be huge, if you have enough skills and volume to play.

GL with your project. Focus on studying poker and analyze your plays.

The worst enemy in micro stakes are the player him self

GL, I will be following

This is my current graph for NL2 and I;ve calculated that my avv all in eq in only about 44% so maybe thats why I loose so many all in situations. But atleast my non showdown winning look decent since it's way higher than my showdown what do you guys think?

I think you are not folding enough ♠_biggrin:

only 2,4k hands, but we are talking about nl2 stakes and you have lost 18€. What is your VPIP/PFR?

VPIP: 22.2 PFR: 18.9 Doesn't look all that too high I think

It´s difficult to try give you very deeply opinion analys about you and your game through this forum but I try.

You can post some hands where you wasnt sure what to do and hands where you lost big pots.

Your VPIP/PFR seems good.

I believe you have leaks in your post flop games and folding hands.

EDIT. You can study your post flop game. Pokerstrategy.com offers many good learning opportunities. Watch other players game and how they fold their hands and why they fold? You need to think what hands opponents have? range them.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$1.35:///////;BB$5.56:///////;MP2$2.66:///////;MP3$4.10:///////;CO$1.44:///////;BU (Hero)$1.64:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with A:s, K:d.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.61) 8:d, A:h, 3:c (2 players)
BB bets $0.61, Hero raises to $1.34, BB calls $0.73.

Turn: ($3.29) 5:d (2 players)

River: ($3.29) A:d (2 players)

Final Pot: $3.29.
Results follow:

Hero shows three of a kind, aces(A:s K:d).
BB shows a full-house, aces full of eights(8:c A:c).

BB wins with a full-house, aces full of eights(8:c A:c).

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$1.00:///////;BB$5.79:///////;MP2$2.51:///////;MP3$3.90:///////;CO$1.65:///////;BU (Hero)$1.80:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with A:s, 8:d.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.10, BB folds, Hero calls $0.04.

Flop: ($0.22) 6:d, 4:c, J:s (2 players)
SB bets $0.11, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $0.33.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$2.11:///////;BU (Hero)$2.22:///////;SB$1.95:///////;BB$1.69:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q:h, K:h.
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12.

Flop: ($0.38) T:d, 4:c, 2:s (2 players)
SB bets $0.21, Hero folds, SB gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $0.38.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$1.16:///////;SB$1.29:///////;BB (Hero)$2.50:///////;CO$2.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BB with A:h, K:c.
CO raises to $0.06, BU calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, CO raises to $0.55, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.22) T:h, K:s, J:s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.91, CO raises to $1.45, Hero calls $0.54.

Turn: ($4.12) 6:c (2 players)

River: ($4.12) 2:c (2 players)

Final Pot: $4.12.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of kings(A:h K:c).
CO shows a pair of aces(A:d A:c).

CO wins with a pair of aces(A:d A:c).

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP2$2.12:///////;MP3$1.23:///////;CO$2.49:///////;BU$2.03:///////;SB (Hero)$2.82:///////;BB$1.97:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:h, J:h.
MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.08, CO folds, BU calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.07, BB folds.

Flop: ($0.26) 6:d, A:d, 6:h (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, BU checks.

Turn: ($0.26) K:d (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP3 raises to $0.40, BU folds, Hero raises to $2.74, MP3 calls $0.75.

River: ($4.15) 4:s (2 players)

Final Pot: $4.15.
Results follow:

Hero shows two pairs, aces and sixes(A:h J:h).
MP3 shows a full-house, kings full of sixes(K:h K:s).

MP3 wins with a full-house, kings full of sixes(K:h K:s).

Here are some hands. The questionable hand for me was A8 hand. I re raised because the opponent was very agro (agro factor: 10.0) and I preserved his bet as weak since he would be c-betting this flop 100% is the time

Good luck to you! You should be up at NL10 in no time, just keep on reading articles and watch vids:)
Don't worry 2000 hands say nothing. Just keep playing for value;)

I took a quick look at the hands, but it's quite difficult to think about them without knowing opponent's stats..
In hand nr. 2 I wouldn't bluff (if we play against a fish) and in the last hand I'd just fold. Toppair is too weak on a drawheavy board where trips are possible and another player raises a bet from a third player..

Holdem doesnt have so big variance at nl2 stake. Your 18e loss are from leaks. Normally 2k doenst says nothing, but in this case it says.

First hand AK

I would do same as you did. He has many weaker Ax hands in his range.

Flop, I would snap too like you did.

Second hand A8o, marginal hand. Ok to fold villains mini 3bet. Suited I will be paying always. But call is well marginal

you are risking 30c to win 32c pot so if you believe villain fold on that kind of flop 50 % times you do profit. small pocket pairs will call you and AK maybe even AQ hand. And of course if villain has hit something on that flop. but ok bluff, you have little bit value with that Ax hand in showdown, but 2cards coming and villain can have AT type of hand that he folds now. So if you think villain is foldin 50 % time at least in that flop is reraise good. You can add your hud how many times your opponent do 2barrel. Villain is PFR, he do c-bet and gets called he bets in turn also.

Third hand. Hero has KQs.
SB 3bets us, ok call. KQo would be fold. Ask questions is that villain 3betting with value hands or with something else too? Your hand is easy to dominated but we can have a look the flop we have position. But needs to be ready to fold if board will be Kxx type and villain is VERY, VERY aggro with his hand. That means you are not ahead and you should fold if you dont have FD at board.

hand nro 4. AKo you are from OOP when you call you just hope A or K in the flop, but that can kill the action from villain. I would be go all in with that in Pre-flop. I would be go PF all in becouse we are from OOP. It´s marginal sometimes there is smaller pair against like 99 or there can be monster like that AA (you block 1 A), or like AQs against. you are from OOP I would go all in in that situation. I would say that was cooler.

I would 3bet with your AJs hand from blinds. Fold when there comes 4bet.

Originally posted by BustoTinker
Holdem doesnt have so big variance at nl2 stake. Your 18e loss are from leaks. Normally 2k doenst says nothing, but in this case it says.

First hand AK

I would do same as you did. He has many weaker Ax hands in his range.

Flop, I would snap too like you did.

Second hand A8o, marginal hand. Ok to fold villains mini 3bet. Suited I will be paying always. But call is well marginal

you are risking 30c to win 32c pot so if you believe villain fold on that kind of flop 50 % times you do profit. small pocket pairs will call you and AK maybe even AQ hand. And of course if villain has hit something on that flop. but ok bluff, you have little bit value with that Ax hand in showdown, but 2cards coming and villain can have AT type of hand that he folds now. So if you think villain is foldin 50 % time at least in that flop is reraise good. You can add your hud how many times your opponent do 2barrel. Villain is PFR, he do c-bet and gets called he bets in turn also.

Third hand. Hero has KQs.
SB 3bets us, ok call. KQo would be fold. Ask questions is that villain 3betting with value hands or with something else too? Your hand is easy to dominated but we can have a look the flop we have position. But needs to be ready to fold if board will be Kxx type and villain is VERY, VERY aggro with his hand. That means you are not ahead and you should fold if you dont have FD at board.

hand nro 4. AKo you are from OOP when you call you just hope A or K in the flop, but that can kill the action from villain. I would be go all in with that in Pre-flop. I would be go PF all in becouse we are from OOP. It´s marginal sometimes there is smaller pair against like 99 or there can be monster like that AA (you block 1 A), or like AQs against. you are from OOP I would go all in in that situation. I would say that was cooler.

I would 3bet with your AJs hand from blinds. Fold when there comes 4bet.

Thank you very much. i will take you tips into thought process the next time I play This will not be today since I had some health problems earlier today so I will be resting for the rest of the day and maybe play some hands tomorrow. Thanks for helping me out a lot good luck at the tables

Originally posted by rap1dw1n3r

Spoiler

Your red line is near zero, while the blue one keeps falling down.
Think about it:
If you are able to play non loosing poker without even going to showdown, just stealing blinds, isolating/cbetting limpers with any2, 3betting as pure bluff, etc. Then you are definitely able to play profitable poker if you add some hands for value.

This has been a little better day although I haven't played many hands today and lost a couple of all ins the loss of bankroll is only $1.02 :))

Originally posted by rap1dw1n3r
I will start playing later today at NL2 shorthanded tables at party poker I think.

there are no SH nl2 tables at party, only FR. I know that 100% because I play there ♦
So you play FR?
edit: lol nevermind, I found the answer:

Originally posted by rap1dw1n3r
P.S. Will be playing at Poker770 since Party doesn't have NL2 shorthanded tables

Had a nice run today played for 40mins and gained $4.85 profit from teh session Current bankroll is now $30.33