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Looks like it's always an all-in, MP's range is at LEAST 66+ AJ+

Originally posted by chenny8888
Looks like it's always an all-in, MP's range is at LEAST 66+ AJ+

snappaments for me

Simulated 100000 Holdem Hands (Monte Carlo)
Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator

 Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                                         Range                                            
    
   1       26.0     24.5     3.5      55-AA, A"K-T"{RB}, K"Q-T"{RB}, [Q]J, [A"K-7"], [A"5-2"], [K"Q-T"], [Q"J-T"], [JT] 
   2       35.0     31.3     7.8                                 88-AA, A"K-J"{RB}, [A"K-J"]                            
   3       39.0     34.5     9.3                                             [AK]                                       

Originally posted by Tiltberger

Originally posted by chenny8888
Looks like it's always an all-in, MP's range is at LEAST 66+ AJ+

snappaments for me

Simulated 100000 Holdem Hands (Monte Carlo)
Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator

 Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                                         Range                                            
    
   1       26.0     24.5     3.5      55-AA, A"K-T"{RB}, K"Q-T"{RB}, [Q]J, [A"K-7"], [A"5-2"], [K"Q-T"], [Q"J-T"], [JT] 
   2       35.0     31.3     7.8                                 88-AA, A"K-J"{RB}, [A"K-J"]                            
   3       39.0     34.5     9.3                                             [AK]                                       

about ranges does A"K-J"{RB} = AKo-AJo?

yeah... i'm on my mac... sorry for giving you this "shiddy" calculation...
pokerstrategys equilab is hopefully coming out for mac

then ranges r about right as defult for regular players + /- depending how good/loose/tight players are

the thing here is that they r unknown = so we should give them imo litlle tighter default ranges
the truth is that even with tighter ranges we r getting +/- break even pot odds for main pot and break even pot odds for side pot chip wise( cEV)

but if we think litlle deeper and realize that they have a ton of A/K PP in their ranges (and we agree that MP range is Ax/PP ) so we r getting less outs to hit, also they have a lot of blockers for our str8draws

imo the best scenario is both have Ax/Kx or PP and we had them crushed or on a flip

but most commonly scenarios are
- if UTG have Ax/Kx, MP to have PP and thats like worse case scenario to us
- and if UTG has PP and MP has Ax and we win only side pot we r not getting break even chip wise

so imho i think we should make a fold like most of the time here without reads on villains, and that would be good fold most of the times or at worse marginal fold but considering our stack size /edge in skills/ EV (not cEV cos we need bigger EV then cEV to make profitable call in this spot considering all the factors written above)

FWIW if we had like ~25k or less we should always make call here imo

you're either overthinking this or not thinking about it enough. if your conclusion is to pass up on this situation because too often we're flipping, you've really got it wrong. flipping for triple up is still going to be worth it... and we're not flipping a ton of the time!

Don't see why you want to fold. This is a instasnapcall imo.