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AA against big c/r from loose-passive drawy flop + 1 short stack AI

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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

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NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,785)
BB ($3,085)
UTG ($1,975)
UTG+1 ($1,935)
UTG+2 ($1,895)
MP1 ($22,116) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 115
MP2 ($1,870)
MP3 ($3,352)
Hero ($9,339)
BTN ($7,335)

BB antes $20
Hero antes $20
MP3 antes $20
UTG+2 antes $20
SB antes $20
UTG+1 antes $20
MP1 antes $20
MP2 antes $20
BTN antes $20
UTG antes $20

Dealt to Hero A♣ A♠

fold, fold, fold, MP1 calls $200, fold, MP3 calls $200, Hero raises to $725, fold, fold, fold, MP1 calls $525, MP3 calls $525

FLOP ($2,675) 6♣ 2♠ 5♠

MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $2,006, MP1 raises to $7,000, MP3 calls $2,607 (AI), HERO ???

Results follow (highlight to see):

Hero folds ......... :-(

TURN ($9,895) 6c 2s 5s 9d

RIVER ($9,895) 6c 2s 5s 9d 9h

MP1 shows [ 8d, 4d ] a pair of Nines.
(Pre 32%, Flop 25.3%, Turn 18.2%)

MP3 shows [ 6h, 6d ]a full house, Sixes full of Nines.
(Pre 68%, Flop 74.7%, Turn 81.8%)

MP3 wins $9,895

Of course I'm mainly concerned about MP1 here, even if MP3 has absolute nuts here, I don't care, I still win BIG if I win against MP1, so ... What should I do here ?? CAN I get away from this hand here ever ?? Villain was not that aggressive on flop as I noticed, unless he really had something. I'd label him as a fairly loose-passive player, so when he c/r's me, what should I think? He's -61 ROI at 3.5 ABI over 179 games on sharkscope, and I have notes, that he's been limping and limp/calling from various positions with various stack sizes w/hands from 23s and J2o to JJ's and KK's. Nothing more, unfortunately, about his post-flop play, apart from what I've already mentioned.


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wlcKeD Topic starter
wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

No one doesn't have an opinion? ... Anybody? :/


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

mp1 can have a lot of draws, overpairs and hits with those winnings here!
with 2 redraws and best overpair i get it in on the flop!
greets


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by Tiltberger
mp1 can have a lot of draws, overpairs and hits with those winnings here!
with 2 redraws and best overpair i get it in on the flop!
greets

But as I mentioned, I saw MP1 just calling several times w/medium made hands, and floating w/draws - he wasn't check/raising at all ... And he really is a loose-passive player, so when he shows quite a lot and really strong, in my opinion, action, shouldn't I be alarmed here, and think about crying fold? Is it STILL a good spot to "get it in on the flop", despite my little observations/notes about the villain in particular? When I did fold, I really expected to see there at least two pair, or most probably a set, and I was really shocked to see what he really DID had ... Now, of course, I'm going to update my notes on him, and really comfortably get it in next time, but as I did have WHAT I DID at this particular time, should I still be happily getting it in on flop? I honestly thought that my crying fold was a best decision here, when keeping in mind not just my whole cards and opponents ranges, but also some other factors all together ... Or should I still, according you, be getting it in in these spots against that kind of opponents no matter what?


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

nope -> please don't fold here just because you saw this player doing this or that... in that spot you can't really rely just on reads like that. its to clear and you see too much garbage on lowlimits!


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Ok, thank you :)


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Never folding my AA here. Could be playing lots of draws or 6x hands. And maybe even 77 - KK (with ur reads).

Get it in asap please.

And I didn't look at the result lol.


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by Tiltberger
and you see too much garbage on lowlimits!

Sorry to bother again, but I can't stop thinking about this hand: LET'S SAY, that this was a normal/decent 100$-200$ buy-in tournament, with a much clever field - would my play be good here? If I saw that THIS villain is really passive, and usually just calls with a draw or TP, even OOP, and now when he c/r's me, I should give him credit here, and make a crying fold? I'd be left with 33 BBs, not bad at all. Or you STILL think that I should risk it all here, even though I might be very well behind already - this line from this passive player seems to me SOOO strong ... Don't forget that this is a 100$-200$ buy-in tournament now. What would you say now? Still push? :(


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amplifyd
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by wlcKeD

Originally posted by Tiltberger
and you see too much garbage on lowlimits!

Sorry to bother again, but I can't stop thinking about this hand: LET'S SAY, that this was a normal/decent 100$-200$ buy-in tournament, with a much clever field - would my play be good here? If I saw that THIS villain is really passive, and usually just calls with a draw or TP, even OOP, and now when he c/r's me, I should give him credit here, and make a crying fold? I'd be left with 33 BBs, not bad at all. Or you STILL think that I should risk it all here, even though I might be very well behind already - this line from this passive player seems to me SOOO strong ... Don't forget that this is a 100$-200$ buy-in tournament now. What would you say now? Still push? :(

you should just play the same. fish are fish, some are just richer than others.


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Atoks
Joined: 01.06.2008

I'd just like to hop in here and say that I agree with how amplifyd evaluated this hand. Yeah in some cases u'll find urself to be waaaay behind but often enough u'll be ahead and winning a nice pile of chips. Don't over level urself into making folds that u shouldn't make.


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

on higher limits against 2 really good players you don't get a call preflop -> at least not from the shortstack and even the 2nd player sees your 3bet is really strong in that spot!
greets


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by Tiltberger
on higher limits against 2 really good players you don't get a call preflop -> at least not from the shortstack and even the 2nd player sees your 3bet is really strong in that spot!
greets

Yeah I think that too ... ;) Thanks for everyone's opinion anyway! I guess I'm not folding my aces in that spot anymore ;)


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masfe
Joined: 27.01.2007

i never fold too. As mentioned the MP1 range has a lot of draws, and hands dominated.

prob cbet slightly less too


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