Turn vs fish 4way

Hi,

as played I like a bet/3bet: for value and even if we are behind, we have outs + we get the people between us to pay 2more bets!

but: on the flop, when we think UTGor Co can bet, I think we can go for CR
(they have to be rather aggressive though!)

gr

I like the flop bet, no need to get tricky there as it might get checked around.

The turn is a must 3bet. It's 4way and you can't just let every draw to see a cheap river. You're only beat by fishily played 86, J8, 55, maybe flopped set. Even if you're behind, you have outs and it's 4way so the 3bet doesn't cost you that much. You beat T5, 75, 95 and also some fishy draws and maybe slowplayed T7, 97, JJ-AA.

My plan would be bet/3bet/calldown from turn.

So your reasoning for 3bet is that you see yourself ahead of CO range, right? If he's unknown, I would be pleased to make this 3bet Are my notes somewhat helpful in this situation? Can you please help to connect these things?

You don't even have to be ahead of CO's range to make the 3bet profitable. Remember that it's 4way and you have lots of value to get from the other guys! Even when you're 50/50 or 40/60 vs him it's a 3bet I'd say because of the others.

I think the read makes the 3bet a bit easier. You said he raised middle pair on the turn ip, that means he's not only raising the nuts. Also it means imo that he likes to call flop/raise turn with good and mediocre value hands, which means he's a bit more likely to have T7, 97 or perhaps even AT in his range.