JJ 040912 zoom

Hello nipbourne,

Against UTG1 stack I would just 3bet it and get it in.

Best Regards.

Originally posted by veriz
Hello nipbourne,

Against UTG1 stack I would just 3bet it and get it in.

Best Regards.

why?because it's hard to play with just flat?what about postflop?
if i have TT here,call or 3bet?

I am srry veri but I have to disagree with you looking at my hands (only 30 K) for the last month with the following filters:
Stakes Nl2 zoom and NL5 zoom
All-in preflop true
BB's put in the pot preflop < 60

and looking only at big pairs : KK-JJ
My avg allin ev is 53.77%
With JJ is 30.4%

Maybe other zoom players can look at their data and compair stats. I would love to know if I am wrong.

I for one would have folded simply because of the threat of a 3bet/squeez. If there was another caller I would call for set value.
Plz correct me if I am wrong.

So after posting this I decided to play a session in 140 I got QQ 3x times this is what happend:

Hand 1:
Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$15.52:///////;SB$10.21:///////;BB$29.32:///////;UTG1$10.41:///////;UTG2$10.60:///////;MP1$5.80:///////;MP2$8.76:///////;MP3 (Hero)$3.90:///////;CO$10.63:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:s, Q:d.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.90, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $3.90, BB calls $1.00.

Flop: ($8.15) 9:d, 9:c, K:c (2 players)

Turn: ($8.15) 8:d (2 players)

River: ($8.15) 3:s (2 players)

Final Pot: $8.15.
Results follow:

BB shows two pairs, aces and nines(A:d A:s).
Hero shows two pairs, queens and nines(Q:s Q:d).

BB wins with two pairs, aces and nines(A:d A:s).

I thought maybe veri was right so I got it allin with QQ --- oops

Hand 2 :
Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$11.96:///////;BB$4.72:///////;UTG1 (Hero)$4.30:///////;UTG2$13.33:///////;MP1$9.98:///////;MP2$16.62:///////;MP3$10.00:///////;CO$4.70:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with Q:c, Q:d.
Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.40, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($4) 6:d, J:s, 2:c (2 players)
BB bets $2.26, Hero raises to $2.50(All-In), BB calls $0.24.

Turn: ($9) 2:h (2 players)

River: ($9) J:h (2 players)

Final Pot: $9.
Results follow:

Hero shows two pairs, queens and jacks(Q:c Q:d).
BB shows two pairs, aces and jacks(A:d A:c).

BB wins with two pairs, aces and jacks(A:d A:c).

This time I thought I will flat in position and stack off with over pair. That way at least I get some value should villian have AK. - OOPS

Hand 3:
Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU (Hero)$4.70:///////;SB$20.49:///////;BB$10.00:///////;UTG2$11.96:///////;MP1$8.31:///////;MP2$1.50:///////;MP3$5.74:///////;CO$9.85:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q:h, Q:d.
UTG2 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, SB raises to $2.70, BB folds, UTG2 raises to $11.96, Hero folds, SB calls $9.26.

Flop: ($24.82) 2:s, 8:d, 6:d (2 players)

Turn: ($24.82) 5:h (2 players)

River: ($24.82) J:s (2 players)

Final Pot: $24.82.
Results follow:

SB shows a pair of aces(A:c A:s).
UTG2 shows high card ace(K:s A:d).

SB wins with a pair of aces(A:c A:s).

I followed my own advise and Finally I got it right

And yes in 140 hands I got QQ 3x and 3x Villian had AA

mineriva lets start first to talk about you adding to full stack and playing BSS. And of course your hands are also played pretty badly. At least the 2nd QQ where you flat preflop.

why?because it's hard to play with just flat?what about postflop?
if i have TT here,call or 3bet?

Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards.

TT can be played differently and even for set value + overpair.

"Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards."

srry i dont follow your meaning!?

Originally posted by mineriva
"Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards."

srry i dont follow your meaning!?

That he ain't playing even with full stack so therefore most likely a bad player and could have a lot worse hands in his range which continue.