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[FR] Jack high flush draw

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kipperkalle
Joined: 12.04.2009

Overly aggressive on the flop with my middle flush draw here?

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$0.05/$0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J:d, 8:d.
8 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-Bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4:d, 9:d, T:c (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-Bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J:s (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 4:c (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB.

Results follow:

BB shows two pairs, queens and fours(Qd Qh).
Hero shows two pairs, jacks and fours(Jd 8d).

BB wins with two pairs, queens and fours(Qd Qh).


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

You got an OESD with a flushdraw. You are a small favourite against his entire range but after his raise he's likely to have overpairs so you can't really 8 and J as good pairouts. It's ok to 3bet but the problem is that, if you don't improve, you'll be an underdog on the turn equitywise and you risk to get raised again so i would just call and checkraise this turn. And by the way you should stop doing donkbets but check your entire range because if you start with donkbets you make yourself too readable.

Donk with good hands and once you check your opponent may recognize that you're likely to have nothing great. So your defaultline is to check each flop, no matter how strong your hand is. As played i would check/calldown after the turn. His cap could unfortunately mean KJ KQ QJ and i think if he's got KT or AT he'll keep betting himself on Turn and River. There are just a few hands you might lose a little value from but you safe money against his overpairs, Sets KJ KQ etc. But donkbet with toppair oesd and flushdraw is certainly not a big mistake, if a mistake at all but after 3bet preflop and cap on the Flop you' re probably slightly behind against his range and thus just stay passive.


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kipperkalle
Joined: 12.04.2009

Originally posted by firsttsunami
You got an OESD with a flushdraw. You are a small favourite against his entire range but after his raise he's likely to have overpairs so you can't really 8 and J as good pairouts. It's ok to 3bet but the problem is that, if you don't improve, you'll be an underdog on the turn equitywise and you risk to get raised again so i would just call and checkraise this turn. And by the way you should stop doing donkbets but check your entire range because if you start with donkbets you make yourself too readable.

Donk with good hands and once you check your opponent may recognize that you're likely to have nothing great. So your defaultline is to check each flop, no matter how strong your hand is. As played i would check/calldown after the turn. His cap could unfortunately mean KJ KQ QJ and i think if he's got KT or AT he'll keep betting himself on Turn and River. There are just a few hands you might lose a little value from but you safe money against his overpairs, Sets KJ KQ etc. But donkbet with toppair oesd and flushdraw is certainly not a big mistake, if a mistake at all but after 3bet preflop and cap on the Flop you' re probably slightly behind against his range and thus just stay passive.

Just to make sure I understood you correctly - never bet against initiative even if made hand?


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Yes, you got me! If you donk with madehands then it's obvious (though maybe not for a lowstakes player) that if you check that you won't have as much madehands in your checkingrange so to have a balanced range you have to check your entire range because once he did 3bet preflop he will make his continuation bet and if you have a madehand you want him to bet in order to checkraise. Then you gain 2SB but if you donk and he's just on overcards you will just extract 1SB out off him. You are not supposed to have seperate lines, one line for your draws and overcards and the other one for madehands so the default play is to always check the flop once your opponent has taken the initiative.

You understand what i mean? If you don't entirely, don't hesitate asking more questions.


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