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Final Hand Q8 Top pair vs Flush Draw

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I'm a bit stumped on this one. Part of me says I shouldn't have even played this hand once I saw the flush draw, another part says I played it fine and kind of just got unlucky but I'm a bit too new and hate putting this down to "luck".

I know he didn't have the flush on the nuts because he check/called rather than bet or reraise and figured he was either looking to make a top pair with K, A or flush straight. I was ready to back away if the K or A came out or a 4th spade on the turn. When the turn came and he didn't land the flush or top pair I figured I could take the hand and he would back down.

Is my thought process wrong here?
Did the pot just have too much invested that ppl would play long odds like he did?
Should I have just folded the second I saw the flop?

Thanks for any tips you can give me, this hand is kind of bugging me.

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PartyGaming - $2+$0|600/1200 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: 11,700.00
UTG+1: 10,413.00
MP: 5,923.00
Hero (MP+1): 9,195.00
CO: 39,765.00
BTN: 6,840.00
SB: 16,010.00
BB: 14.00

UTG posts ante 150.00, UTG+1 posts ante 150.00, MP posts ante 150.00, Hero posts ante 150.00, CO posts ante 150.00, BTN posts ante 150.00, SB posts ante 150.00, BB posts ante 14.00, SB posts SB 750.00, BB posts BB 0.00

Pre Flop: (1814.00) Hero has Q♣ 8♣

fold, UTG+1 calls 1,500.00, fold, Hero raises to 3,000.00, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 1,500.00

Flop: (7814.00, 3 players) Q♠ T♠ 5♠
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 3,000.00, UTG+1 calls 3,000.00

Turn: (13814.00, 3 players) 4♥
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 3,045.00 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 3,045.00

River: (19904.00, 3 players) J♠

UTG+1 shows 8♦ 7♠ (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 20%, Flop 40%, Turn 29%)
Hero shows Q♣ 8♣ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 35%, Flop 51%, Turn 64%)
BB shows A♦ 4♦ (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 46%, Flop 9%, Turn 7%)
UTG+1 wins 19,792.00
UTG+1 wins 112.00


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rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

This is either a shove or fold pre flop and I prefer fold once utg+1 limps, unless you have specific reads he is limping super light.

Actually looking again, BB is all in with nothing so its just a clear fold pre, no need and no point being involved in this hand whatsoever.

Sorry I'm not trying to be critical but this is just horrible in every way imaginable. If you really must play Q8 after an open limp with 8 big blinds then you absolutely must shove it pre.

Better still, just avoid these situations full stop.


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I'd simply fold Pre since we are forced to a showdown with the BB and the UTG+1 player isn't going to be limp folding much.

As played you can't be upset given the fact you were able to get it in as a pretty big favorite. You were a 71-29 favorite vs the player it mattered the most so just unlucky at that point.


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