ATo resteal

Ive been flating AT pre alot here recently.

As played think check calling turn is better but would also need to check call most river bets or bet river for value if turn checks behind.

i like the play

he would check a lot of Qx behind and can call with them vs a turn bet
i'd also bet turn and give up river

standard / good up to the river

River you can probably jam yourself for value. I don't think he has AQ AJ too much, as AQ might 4bet preflop and AJ might fold flop. What else has you beat? A7s doesnt call flop. 75s might fold preflop or might fold turn. 86s certainly doesnt call turn. So you are only worried about A4s A5s 44 55 which is not a lot of combos. Worse hands he could have that might call a river jam are all Qx (KQ QJ QTs Q9), A2s A3s, as well as maybe 66 88 99 if he feels you are bluffing too much once the Ace turned. You could of course have a lot of bluff hands here.. any low straight draw (87 76 86), any high straight draw (KQ KT JT), and potentially even non-draw hands that you 2barrel bluffed on the Ace.

So yeah seems like a river value jam to me.

After you check, he jams. What could he have for value? All hands that beat you, but those are not many. What could he have as a bluff? Difficult to say. He certainly checks back Qx. He might bluff with 65s or 66 88. But all of those might just check down as well. I think it's a bit annoying, but I don't think you can fold. Maybe he even jams A3s for value himself because he thinks you don't have him beat much.

Originally posted by breena
Ive been flating AT pre alot here recently.

As played think check calling turn is better but would also need to check call most river bets or bet river for value if turn checks behind.

3betting is almost always better than calling from the SB (with every single hand, yes)

Turn check call is absurd to be honest. Makes absolutely no sense. Our hand is too strong to use it as a bluffcatcher and too weak to use it as a slowplay.

Originally posted by lnternet

3betting is almost always better than calling from the SB (with every single hand, yes)

Why?

I agree with Internet here, I jam river myself and feel pretty good about it

Is such a riverjam also recommended on small stakes like NL50? Cause I don't think people are more herocall happy there.

Originally posted by flekozub

Originally posted by lnternet

3betting is almost always better than calling from the SB (with every single hand, yes)

Why?

The whole reasoning is somewhat long winded, Ill just give you the short answer.

If your hand is strong enough to call OOP, without initiate, getting a fair but not good price, it is probably a fairly strong hand. And with that hand, it's certainly also good to 3bet against a wide stealing range.

In general I think it's good to have a SB cold call% of less than 5% overall.

Originally posted by Farmarchist
Is such a riverjam also recommended on small stakes like NL50? Cause I don't think people are more herocall happy there.

If you think you can make the read that your opponent just doesn't call down with many worse hands than AT here, you should go ahead and triple barrel bluff every single holding that you cbet with and that loses to Qx on the river.

Now what I have found watching small stakes players is that they don't jam AT here, thinking they don't get called, but they also don't jam JT, thinking it looks bluffy. And that is inconsistent. (This also explains why smaller stakes games are a bit more passive and higher stakes games are a bit more aggressive.)

It might very well be the case that AT doesn't get called by enough worse hands here, I can't know how the opponent plays. If you know how he plays, you should adjust. But I don't try to make big reads like that, as they are just as often wrong as they are right; if you think you make the right reads all the time you are kidding yourself. Instead I play a strategy that is really solid, and that includes jamming AT, and if he folds hands he shouldn't fold I make up for that with my bluffing range.

Originally posted by lnternet

Originally posted by flekozub

Originally posted by lnternet

3betting is almost always better than calling from the SB (with every single hand, yes)

Why?

The whole reasoning is somewhat long winded, Ill just give you the short answer.

If your hand is strong enough to call OOP, without initiate, getting a fair but not good price, it is probably a fairly strong hand. And with that hand, it's certainly also good to 3bet against a wide stealing range.

In general I think it's good to have a SB cold call% of less than 5% overall.

Awesome! I was really struggling to find a good calling range in the blinds.

Thanks for the hand analysis btw!