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devinni
Joined: 30.08.2012

correct to fold top pair J kicker on the flop against a raise?

PokerStars - $0.02/$0.04 - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.12
SB: $0.24
BB: $0.92
UTG: $0.69
UTG+1: $1.13
Hero (UTG+2): $1.00
MP: $0.20
MP+1: $0.66
CO: $1.54

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J♣ K♣

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.04, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.16, 4 players) 2♥ 8♥ K♦
SB bets $0.02, fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, fold, SB calls $0.02

Turn: ($0.24, 2 players) 4♠
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.04, SB calls $0.04

River: ($0.32, 2 players) 4♣
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.04, fold

UTG+1 wins $0.31


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

no it isn't not on these stakes.

I know that donk and raise seems scary. But SB could very well have a flush draw. UTG+1 a worse King. remember they all only called preflop. so you should be more keen to lean it towards that their ranges consist of drawing hands or weak made hands. I would call the flop on the other hand I would 3b the flop but I guess thats because i play 6max.

Im not the best in Full Ring. at least a call down. If the UTG+1 has a king you gotta remember its only AK and KQ and K8 and K2 that has you beat. Not many kings am i right. and when the 4 hits on the river pairing turn and river. You should be more inclined to call because that removes K2 as one of the King hands that beats you.


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when we raise with a hand like KJs, hitting top pair is really quite an ideal situation. Now, we can't always be sure we're ahead when we see a bet and raise in front... but that shouldn't worry us too much. Our opponents are as or more likely to have weaker pairs and draws, compared with hands like sets, two pair, or better top pair. if we are behind we can still improve.

The pot is quite large and we have several players involved. I would sometimes 3-bet the flop for value, call often, but can only justify folding in exceptional situations.

You can find some basic tips on how to proceed as the preflop raiser with top pair on the flop in the basic fixed-limit articles. Here you'll find some guidelines to provide a little structure when making flop decisions.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

woohoo im proud im having the same opinion as datsmahname :D:D weee , its basically the same we are saying which makes me feel so PRO sorry for randomness haha.


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Not wishing to be melodramatic but you'd have to pry this hand out of my cold dead fingers and this is way way way closer to a 3-bet than it is to a fold, in fact that would be my default play here.

Nowhere near enough action has gone in for you to assume you're toast. If you get 4-bet back then by all means go into calldown mode and you might even be able to fold to a turn bet and raise.

Flopping Top Pair with KJ is pretty much everything you're hoping for. It's right at the top of your range on this board. If you throw it away here you make any "protection" style raise massively profitable against you.

I 3-bet here and play from there.


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Originally posted by Boomer2k10
Not wishing to be melodramatic but you'd have to pry this hand out of my cold dead fingers and this is way way way closer to a 3-bet than it is to a fold, in fact that would be my default play here.

Nowhere near enough action has gone in for you to assume you're toast. If you get 4-bet back then by all means go into calldown mode and you might even be able to fold to a turn bet and raise.

Flopping Top Pair with KJ is pretty much everything you're hoping for. It's right at the top of your range on this board. If you throw it away here you make any "protection" style raise massively profitable against you.

I 3-bet here and play from there.

hahaha awesome


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