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A couple of hands resulted in loss... suggestions ? 10x

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1st hand:

I had KK, one player raised from early, I reraised and then another player reraised again. We both called since that is the limit (3-bet)

The flop brings: 8 7 8 rainbow board

the player who raised last bets, the one next to act just called and i reraised with my KK and both called

my notes: since there was a lot of raising before the flop i didnt put anyone on a set or quads or stuff like this (but i have seen players play funky hands so i raised to see where i am at... I did put one of them on A K and the other one on a pocket pair lower than mine such as queens)

The turn: Ace

All 3 of us check...

my notes: now when we all checked here i was pretty sure i had the best hand on the river, sincer the table didnt have any possible flush... and eventhough the straight was possible I didnt put anyone on a straightdraw because the way the hand was played...

The river: 9

the player who bet first on the flop check, the one next to him bet and i called, i didnt want to raise anymore because i wasnt sure where i was at anymore... and the other player called aswell

at the end they had: pocket Queens and A2o :| and the A2o won... it was a bad beat i guess but how can i avoid this if i encounter it again ? or how can i deal with it better ?

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Second hand:

I had K4 clubbs, and i was in Big blind... there were no raises and 4 players called
Flop brings: Qd 10c 9c

Well I bet because I had the second nut flushdraw and I follow the pokerstrategy chart so that's what I did, 2 players called and 1 folded

The turn: 5c (I made my flush)

I bet, 1 called, 1 raised after me...
I reraised, 1 folded, and the other reraised again
I called

The river: Ad

I thought there is a chance of him having the nuts but I sort of didnt give him credit
So i bet, he raised and I called... and he had A2c ....

Again, how can I read better or let go of the 2nd nuts... or any suggestions to how can I improve my game..


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Fixed limit is all about getting your money (as much as possible of it) in when you probably have the best hand, or, much more rarely, when you think that an opponent will fold a better hand, and (,quite frequently,) as little as possible when you are drawing or catching bluffs.

There is a difference between probably having the best hand, and actually having it. This difference is very important when the dealer pushes the pot to the winner, but only then is it important.

The only way to avoid these nuisances completely is to fold your big-but-not-nut hands. Do you think it is a good idea?

You played the hands well, even perfectly, if you believe your reads and the philosophy outlined in the first paragraph above.

Edit: You might also want to have a look at this thread, How do you cope? , which (was supposed to deal with) deals with how to maintain your A game when the cards fall off badly. Perhaps the thread isn't relevant here, but I suspect strongly that you (as I did) knowingly or unknowingly adjusts to the mood of the RNG in an incorrect way. At least I think you think about doing that, otherwise you wouldn't post.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

I'm just gonna evaluate your hand because you put so much effort on it but the next time you gonna be posting a hand, please use a hand converter and transform the hand into a visible format. It's kind of difficult to extract all the information just out of the text. First hand: Nothing to do about it. When it got checked through on the turn and you have the best second pair, you have to call the river or if you have the chance, bet yourself and make them calling worse pairs. It was a bad beat , yes. Don't blame yourself. IT happens over and over :).

Hand 2)

You played that hand well but there is one significant mistake you made. First of all. You can bet the flop for value with the second nutflushdraw and a gutshot and maybe 0,5-1 Out to your Kx pair. You have over 40% chance to improve by the river. So it means you can bet and raise for value against 2 opponents where you require more EQ than 1/players = 1/3 = 33,33%. So in case you'd just have a flushdraw with 1 overcard, you could play the flop aggressively as well.

The mistake i was talking about. With the second nuts, you have to reraise the River. The chance he does have a set, straight or worse flush are too high to not reraise! In this case you were lucky and just lost another BB but in the long run, he's more likely to have anything worse than second nuts. :) Should sound logical. :)


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