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[Closed] plo25 flushdraw + straightdraw

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Snodreliss
Joined: 23.12.2007

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 6♠ K♥ A♥ T♠
UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 3♥ Q♦ 4♥ ($1.25, 5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $1.19, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: J♦ ($4.82, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $4.58, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: K♣ ($13.98, 2 players)
Hero bets $7.5, CO calls all-in $4.36.
Uncalled bets: $3.14 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $22.7

Can I raise turn? Or is my line ok? Or is it even a fold here?:p


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bellavec
Joined: 29.01.2008

fold on the flop imho... you're offered 2:1 odds for your flushdraw and you haven't implied odds at all i think..


Sim87
Joined: 29.10.2006

If you knew that the BB calls the flopbet than calling is fine but since you probably don't I like a fold here also.

As played you could c/r the turn but I don't see a lot of fold equity on CO's side so I prefer calling.


Hello !

Since you are out of position your implied odds are poor, if a flush do hit on turn its pretty hard to get paid of. So i also would fold on the flop. Especially since the raiser, if he doesnt have a really strong hand, often have a flushdraw themself and a made hand. The interesting thing here is on the turn. There are som hands he can have that actually give you some fold quity, like the low twopair. And he may assume that you call with some kind of draw on the flop and try to muscle you away, being in position and all. So if he doesnt have a set or a made hand plus draw the jack can be a dangerous card since you may have got a higher twopair with it. I dont think the fold equity is enourmos but i do think he will fold pretty often to a reraise if he only holds twopair. The other thing is, how large fol equity do you really need with a monster draw like the one you had. And since you are gonna call anyway and you have a massive number of out i would argue for a reraise here. I honstly belive its a clear reraise if you are not certain that this player only raises with set and that he wouldnt fold no matter what


Jim9137
Joined: 13.11.2007

The problem with a checkraise on the turn, in my view, is that monster draws are only monsterdraws on flop. Now hero is probabbly getting just about 2:1 (flushdraw + straight outs = lots of outs = ???? = profit!) to his money, justifying the call. As for drawing to the flush, refer to above posts. You also get a bit of implied odds as it's more likely that the opponent will push all of his chips in on the river (so it would be more like, 3:1) despite the river.

If you think your opponent will call, chasing it on the flop is okay. You probably won't get any action from second nuts, though. :P


Sim87
Joined: 29.10.2006

I prefer a call on the turn over a raise since really want to keep the BB in the hand, which is likely to happen if you call and you give yourself very nice odds to your monsterdraw. If you think that you got more FEQ than raising is right but that depends on you image and the type of opponent.