Zoom plo50 KsKss73, facing sqz, flopping tp+fd

We're going to put CO squarely on aces and we should definitely be worried that one of our flush draws might not be live. I would fold preflop due to being out of position, not closing the action and possibly heads up if MP folds to the 3 bet.

Flop is pretty much horrible for us, we have some of the flop. If we checkraise CO is NEEEEEEEVERRRRRRR folding aces. When they bet this flop it's always with the intention of stacking off, therefore a checkraise is completely futile. Calling is much better because we can save money on bad turn cards....

So then, there are some bad turn cards that we can fold to. Any ace (obviously not the A :heart:), any 4 or 2 hitting and we can fold the turn since we may now be drawing to none or 5 outs against AA with a nut flush draw. (If an ace hits and they have a nut flush draw we are stone dead and if the 2 or 4 pairs the board we are praying for a king or 7 to hit the river.)

You have a marginal flop call if you think villain's range is wider than aces here, you can justify calling but I would err towards folding since if you do call or stack off, you're pretty much drawing dead if MP then comes over the top as you have to put one of them squarely on a nut flush draw.

Wow, really enlightening. Thanks. Folding pre makes sense when you explain it like that.

But I'm mainly surprised at how wrong my estimation of the flop was. If I have understood, you are saying that getting my money in as a flip vs one player is the best case scenario and very often we be in much worse shape.

board: 7♠ 4♥ 2♥

K♥ K♣ 7♥ 3♣ 46.41%
AA** 53.59%

Implied odds is an often misunderstood concept in Omaha, because it assumes when we hit, we get the money in, but when we miss, we don't.

There are many spots where we have to shove the flop but we're behind, this then makes our preflop play retrospectively incorrect (to see the flop) because we put the rest of the money in post flop with correct odds to shove but as a dog instead of favourite.

So several things need to be realised. Firstly when villain bets this flop he isn't folding. It's a $32 call for him to win a pot of $107. Aces is always calling a shove, you have no fold equity. Once you understand this you realise the scenario is not about odds, but about saving money. If villain hits the turn hard you can fold, however if you hit the turn, villain cannot fold (so the money still goes in if you hit a king, seven and probably even a heart) while you can fold if villain hits the turn (apart from a 3 hitting, you can't possibly put him on a straight and fold 2 pair).

Secondly, you're multiway and have poor relative position. This means when the preflop aggressor bets the flop, you have to act before MP. This is a horrible spot to be in as you don't have any nut draws, so potentially you could end up shoving with as little as 2 outs against a set and nut flush draw.

Thirdly you need some stats on villain. If he 3 bets quite wide then you should be 4 betting preflop as you're ahead of his range (He could have a hand like AQJT here or 5678). The 4 bet would let you reraise to $20 leaving you with $30 on the flop with the pot being at least $45. This means you can play perfectly post flop by just shoving 100% of flops and having it be +EV.