Ok, that just became funny. If your second reason why someone would call/cap in this spot is that "it would be capped anyway" and "to save time", then I think that pretty much proves my point. Quick question: when was the last time you played or coached someone or even had a look at .5/1 LHE tables? (BTW this hand is played at .25/.5) Cause games definitely changed a lot since.
But just to be somewhat respectful, let's see: you can't have a straight draw, cause of your discounted outs 5ways, also 75 definitely folds to the preflop cap, as well as 87o probably, we're not getting close to enough odds after the preflop cap to call with these hands - so the likelyhood of straightdraws is pretty diminished (3 combos).
You could have a made hand and you could be trying to check-raise.
Not sure if I get this part, if I wanted to check/raise, why didn't I? Or you mean the standard fish-line of coldcall/capping as a slowplay here with a set or whatever? Well, given that Hero - I assume - is not an utter fish, that sounds highly unlikely, not even mentioning that it suggests you wanna turn your hand into a bluff vs 4, which is... well... I think it's a bit of an insane idea, but you tell me. In any case, you don't check the turn with a set, so even if we're being super-fishy about this, it still doesn't add up.
Even if your opponents suspect you have a draw, what are they going to do to you on the turn?
I mentioned this in the previous post, but I'll repeat it for clarity's sake. Firstly, when the draw comes in, you'll lose a great amount of implied odds, secondly, when the draw doesn't come in, they're gonna charge you the maximum given their knowledge that they have you beat (or in fewer cases bluff you off by the river).
You are close to neutral to bets on the turn after missing
No, you're not. You would be close, if all your 9 outs were clean, but given the facts that a) your board pairing flush outs are pretty questionable after an action like this, and also the remaining 7 outs are not even clear (after 4 person paying 4 bets on the flop, the likelyhood of one of them having a higher FD definitely increases a lot), you're in a pretty shitty position if you have to pay multiple bets - probably more than making up for the "bonus" value we achieved by the flop cap.
So, you can check if you think that will keep everyone in, or lead out if you think that will keep everyone in.
I'm not even gonna comment on this, it's so trivially BS.
And lastly, I think the biggest problem is that with the coldcall/cap line it's pretty clear, we never even think about our own range or strategy at all. It may be the case (although I'd seriously doubt that) that given bad-enough opponents capping here has a higher EV than calling. However the much more important point is that our play just makes absolutely no sense in any kind of reasonable strategy. And I emphasize strategy, because in today's games playing hand-by-hand is definitely not the way to go. Now even if against bad-enough opponents it's good to cap here, fundamentally it's awful, and advices should be theoratically sound. (Cause what gives you the liberty to assume that most of these 5 players are "bad-enough"? Ok, I agree, we can somewhat deduce that from their preflop play, but is that in itself a read that we can risk a pretty questionable play on?)
I hope I made my points clear (not to the "LHE experts", but to the players actually looking for advice).
And now a short message to the staff. I restrained myself a lot saying this in the past, out of respect for you guys, but I believe it's time. On several occasions, while being a CM and a coach, I ranted about the responsibilities of being in this business to the fellow colleagues. In the Europian people's, and especially in beginner players' eyes coaches and the holy sanctity of PS represent something that is almighty, never wrong, never makes mistakes, always knows the True One Good Play. As coaches/HJs/vidprods you have to be aware of this, and doing your best to educate these people in the right way. The blue head (or hand symbol or whatever) gives you a huge power over people, and you shouldn't use this irresponsibly - even if it is not intentional (cause I'd never dare to think any of you would do this intentionally). I know you're doing the best you can, but sometimes you should ask yourselves, if it's enough, or if it's a good way at all. I know it's hard, cause we're people, but still. (And by all means this is not just to pzhon's LHE appearance, but for a lot of people working in this industry.)
(sorry im having a bad day today)
), althought it's definitely a mistake from every perspective of the game, not a crucial one, and definitely not as bad as the "no brain..." suggests. Also, IMO let's keep a minimal quality of posts in this forum.
