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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

PokerStars - $69+$6|50/100 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 3,120.00
Hero (BB): 2,692.00
UTG: 2,680.00
UTG+1: 2,587.00
MP: 3,863.00
MP+1: 3,195.00
LP: 3,333.00
CO: 2,710.00
BTN: 2,760.00

SB posts ante 10.00, Hero posts ante 10.00, UTG posts ante 10.00, UTG+1 posts ante 10.00, MP posts ante 10.00, MP+1 posts ante 10.00, LP posts ante 10.00, CO posts ante 10.00, BTN posts ante 10.00, SB posts SB 50.00, Hero posts BB 100.00

Pre Flop: (240.00) Hero has Q♥ 5♥

fold, fold, MP calls 100.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 50.00, Hero checks

Flop: (390.00, 3 players) 7♣ 9♥ 6♥
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets 300.00, SB raises to 809.00, Hero?????

thoughts?


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Hi,

I don´t usually like c/r and prefer leading. Since MP made it 300 and SB c/r I don´t think you have any fold equity and I would rather fold your spot. If you want to gamble then shove is also fine

best regards,


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I don´t usually like c/r and prefer leading. Since MP made it 300 and SB c/r I don´t think you have any fold equity and I would rather fold your spot. If you want to gamble then shove is also fine

best regards,

i wasn't planing to ch/r on flop i want to keep pot small on flop and try to hit my outs probably bombing turn/river if :heart: 8/T/5 hit


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I don´t usually like c/r and prefer leading. Since MP made it 300 and SB c/r I don´t think you have any fold equity and I would rather fold your spot. If you want to gamble then shove is also fine

best regards,

This. I much prefer leading flop to check/calling with fairly shallow stacks. Despite this bad board texture, I think we can win on enough turn/river bricks to just lead out.


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I don´t usually like c/r and prefer leading. Since MP made it 300 and SB c/r I don´t think you have any fold equity and I would rather fold your spot. If you want to gamble then shove is also fine

best regards,

This. I much prefer leading flop to check/calling with fairly shallow stacks. Despite this bad board texture, I think we can win on enough turn/river bricks to just lead out.

i think we r too deep for leading and take in consideration that MP limp first in he dint raise or smth
Q: 1) what we do if MP raise our lead for ex we donk 200-250 and he raise to 700-800
a) SB shove
b) Sb calls

2) what if we lead 200-250 MP calls
a) Sb raise(or shove)
b) SB calls what we do on different turns

chenny thoughts about hand as played do u think we should shove, call or fold on flop?


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I would lead 250.
- Fold is SB shoves (I don´t really get odds)
- barrel most turn cards if SB calls (depends also if I have IMO fold equity or not)- check should also be ok.

If MP calls and SB shoves I would fold again since we don´t get correct pot odds.
If MP and SB calls I would check turn besides heart or Q

best regards,


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by Kaitz20
I would lead 250.
- Fold is SB shoves (I don´t really get odds)
- barrel most turn cards if SB calls (depends also if I have IMO fold equity or not)- check should also be ok.

If MP calls and SB shoves I would fold again since we don´t get correct pot odds.
If MP and SB calls I would check turn besides heart or Q

best regards,

so whats the point in leading when u r planing to give up every time u run into resistance?
i realy dont like leading that deep(and i dont think is optimal + EV) vs limper and sb with strongish draw with those efective stacks


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you take down pots if they don´t have anything and you have monster draw that would allow you to barrel if you should choose so.
+around 35% you make hand that very likelys wins the pot.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Facing action from 2 players (for example a cold 3bet from SB on the flop), we have a pretty easy fold once we lead. If we get a single raise in a spot where we could have fold equity, we should 3bet shove.

Turn is highly dependent on what turn card it is. I imagine we're barreling away (turn and river) on every turn card except maybe a 7.


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