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22$; 60/40 6max; bb60, KQs oop, facing two barrels on AK5 T

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $60(BB) Replayer
SB ($400)
Hero ($2,560)
UTG ($3,110)
CO ($4,080)
BTN ($1,850)

Dealt to Hero K♠ Q♠

UTG raises to $180, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($390) A♠ K♣ 5♥

Hero checks, UTG bets $390, Hero calls $390

TURN ($1,170) A♠ K♣ 5♥ T♥

Hero checks, UTG bets $585, Hero calls $585

fishy unknown, looks like a maniac 50/35/3.7/35

pre - i think its fine vs such a guy

flop - i guess i can't fold to a single cbet if i decided to play the hand at all, even with the 'scary' A out there (his stats make me think it didn't neccessarily hit him that often). the problem is his sizing.. are you folding here but calling a smaller cbet or would you say that against such a guy call is fine even for this price?

turn - first of all - are you folding and giving him credit when he double barrels? the only reason ive called is because he changes his sizing, i assume he would pot it again with his very strong hands (another thing is that im beat not only by his very strong hands) + ive picked up a gutter.

if you think that continuing with the hand is ok it should be a ch/shove prolly since a ch/c committs us anyway, right?

in spots like that i sometimes think that even though a call on the turn committs us from the math's perspective i wouldn't neccessarily feel horrible ch/folding river since i expect him to get scared by my two calls and bet river only with his strongest hands but check behind all the rest, most of which i have beat. Does that make any sense at all? or maybe it would make sense only with very strong reads that he never bluffs 3 streets (which are obv very hard to aquire). Or maybe im just trying to defy the rules of poker math and doing so is gonna be always wrong?


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this would be such an easy c/c down vs a normal cbet size... i hate that he pots it.

still, I cant just c/f vs him so i would c/c flop and agree that c/folding to a turn pot. but this turn size is too good for me.

with 1500 behind on the river and a pot of 2300~ you can still fold if you believe he has to have better. I'm not convinced with those maniac stats, so I would c/c.

It's a shitty situation, but I can't see where we should be folding vs this guy.


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Hi, guys! Why go over such a marginal spot for 40+bbs? I think very often once he bets that big, he's gonna shoot again. I think I just flat for 200-220, but fold on a bigger cbet.


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ill leave open if anyone else wants to jump in. my thoughts are above


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savage1981
Joined: 31.05.2010

I think I agree with kurrkie... Coz what we're doing by check/calling is just playing a guessing game with a hand which might easily be second best.. There has to be better spots to get some chips.


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