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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

to fold an OESD or FD on the turn to 1Bet

agree ?


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kozzaki
Joined: 03.12.2009

) no

- sometimes you are drawing dead.
- sometimes pot is too small (unopened pot, the plop was checked ... )
- sometimes your outs are op's outs to catch Full Hous or like this
- sometimes you may lose if Op has better kicker
- sometimes you are sure that it will be the raise behind your turn
....

like this


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

yup it is a dead sin and I do it sometimes on purpose


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Let's just say I'd need a VERY good reason to fold it

Outside of an extreme board situation , i.e. board double paired/4-of-a-kind or something I can't really think of many spots where I'm folding an OESD or FD for one bet on the turn

Even in a limped pot you're still getting 2-1 often with at least your FD/OESD outs, sometimes more and some implied odds for hitting on the river.

But unless the circumstances are extreme folding an OESD/FD on the turn for one bet is going to be terrible the vast majority of the time it's done.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
yup it is a dead sin and I do it sometimes on purpose

as always you rock my friend +1 <3 mucho luv to you.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by Boomer2k10
Let's just say I'd need a VERY good reason to fold it

Outside of an extreme board situation , i.e. board double paired/4-of-a-kind or something I can't really think of many spots where I'm folding an OESD or FD for one bet on the turn

Even in a limped pot you're still getting 2-1 often with at least your FD/OESD outs, sometimes more and some implied odds for hitting on the river.

But unless the circumstances are extreme folding an OESD/FD on the turn for one bet is going to be terrible the vast majority of the time it's done.

thanks that proved my point in my arguement


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cjheigl
Joined: 09.04.2006

I think with 1-card draws it is relatively common to fold on the turn with a flush draw or an oesd when you have the impression that you could be drawing dead and/or you have reverse implied odds.

Examples:

You: 97s. Board QJTx. Preflop Action: one or more raises, more than one opponent. This kind of oesd is no better than a bad gutshot. You are dead if someone has AK. You definitely have reverse implied odds if you hit.

You: low 1-card flush draw on a 3-flush board with more than 2 opponents. Most likely you are not drawing to the best hand. Sometimes this is playable if the odds are good and if you are able to play cf river when you hit your flush.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

the situation im talking about is

HU POT
one raises one calls preflop
bet / calls flop
bet / ?????? on the turn.

you should never in a million years fold an open ender or Flush draw in that spot.

when the board is something like 76x
and you got 89 or 54


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

and you should also not fold AA preflop very often


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
and you should also not fold AA preflop very often


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
and you should also not fold AA preflop very often

im sorry but im in love <3


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kavboj84
Joined: 16.06.2011

Thou shalt not steal, sayeth the lawd.

So not openfolding 100% of your steal ranges is the most sinful act you could do. Especially when I'm behind you :]


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

And my mother doesn't like that I play poker, so maybe I should quit.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
And my mother doesn't like that I play poker, so maybe I should quit.

do not ever quit poker !! Don't listen to your mom !


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ambitny
Joined: 26.03.2009

quit, no money in poker, everyone is solid.
@Avataren - u wanted me to have a little chat with u, wahts up?


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