[Closed] NL SSS by IngolPoker

First of all i thought it was a great coaching session especially as it was on a different platform(FTP) and a different level (NL10). I found it very interesting personally as it is the level i play at right now.
Your explanations were clear and understandable and your english was very good, so no worries there ♦

Secondly, i just wanted to explain the reasoning for me dropping down to NL5, although not recommended by you, was because i had dropped my roll down to $21 through mostly bad beats but also through bad post flop play by myself, and i thought if i continued on NL10 at that time i would have gone broke if the downward slide had continued.

I thoughly understand your explanation as to why i shouldn't do it but at the time (a) i didn't realise it was a bad idea due to the buyin rule and (b) i honestly thought it was the correct thing to do.

But like i said originally a great 1st coaching and i appreciated the advice you gave me especially re:NL5.

The best of luck IngolPoker, hope you had a nice first session

Leo

I like how you explained first hand. I found that analyzing hands and figuring out that move was EV+ helps a lot.

Second hand i think really depends on opponents stats. This flop is terrible against loose opponents that will call you with anything exept air. It is easier to hit limping range than miss. But this bet is good as blocking IMO. If he is not agressive he will call your bet with second pair or draw instead of larger bet after your check.

If he has random cards he only hits the flop in about 33% of the time, otherwise he folds.
You also have to consider that he didnt limp, but check his posted blind! He has a nearly random hand BUT we can rule out big pockets or broadway cards since he would have raised them preflop.

So this flop probably doesnt help him.

"It is easier to hit limping range than miss"
This is not true, see my first sentence

I totally agree though, that its better to have an opponent who is capable of folding 22 here

By "It is easier to hit limping range than miss" i mean Q K J flop. Main limping ranges is Ax Qx Kx and PP. But posting blind in CO changes situation... (didn't noticed).

Sorry i missed the end of the coaching but my wireless connection went down

Would you be able to explain about starting to use odds please as i think it would be useful to start using these as im about to move up to NL25.

Regards,

Steve

Let me start with the results again (i am so proud ♦)

I played 413 hands and made a profit of 5,30$.
My VPIP and PFR were 6,5 in this session.

My biggest winning hand was quite a lucky one:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer Game#8233867989

Hero ($1.45)
BB ($2.85)
UTG ($4.20)
UTG+1 ($0.95)
UTG+2 ($5.65)
MP1 ($10.30)
MP2 ($2.15)
CO ($3.70)
BTN ($3.75)

Dealt to Hero K♦Q♠

call, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, call, Hero raises to $1.45, fold, call, call, fold,

FLOP ($4.15) 7♦5♣4♦

TURN ($4.15) 7♦5♣4♦9♣

RIVER ($4.15) 7♦5♣4♦9♣Q♦

Hero shows K♦Q♠
(Flop 23.2%, Turn 9.5%)

UTG+1 shows A♣2♣
(Flop 31.5%, Turn 35.7%)

UTG+2 shows T♥T♦
(Flop 45.3%, Turn 54.8%)

Hero wins $3.75

So what happened in this hand?
I had KQ in late position, where i would raise it if noone raises before me. Now there is a minraiser and a coldcaller. As SSSer you ignore the minraises and treat them as limpers because a minraise is often a weak hand like a small pocket or 78s which wants to build a small pot.
I am not worried about the coldcaller either, because he did not reraise as he would do with very strong hands.
So my decision is: reraise! how much?
A "normal" raise would be 80ct (3x 20 + 20 for the coldcaller). But this would be more than half of my stack, so it is better to push directly.

My biggest losing hand was also very interesting and led to some discussions which we can maybe continue here

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer Game#8233724612

SB ($4.35)
BB ($10.10)
Hero ($2.20)
UTG+1 ($1.85)
UTG+2 ($6.50)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($22.90)
CO ($5.35)
BTN ($10.20)

Dealt to Hero K♦A♠

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, SB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, fold, call,

FLOP ($4.70) T♣8♥4♠

TURN ($4.70) T♣8♥4♠8♠

RIVER ($4.70) T♣8♥4♠8♠8♦

SB shows 9♠9♥
(Flop 74.4%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero shows K♦A♠
(Flop 25.6%, Turn 13.6%)

SB wins $4.25

What the hell was i doing?? There was a raise and a reraise, so i should normally fold AK.
But there were reasons to push here:
The raiser and reraiser were both in late position, that means that the raiser can have quite a lose range because he might be trying to steal.
So i am definitely not worried about him. What about the reraiser?
He also sees that the raiser is sitting in late position, so he also knows that he might have a lose range and will therefore be a bit loser himself.

For the more advanced players i will present a few numbers

I give the orinial raiser a range somewhere around 15%, i.e. A8s+, AT+, any pocketpair and a few hands like KJ and suited conncetors. I assume a range of 99+, AJ+ for the reraiser.
Against these ranges i have more than 33% and i have more than 50% against every single range, so an allin is good.
The result of course changes if you assume different ranges for your opponent, at the moment i was played i thought they are lose enough. You can of course also just fold and wait for better spots to move allin

Now i come back to a more basic topic. Odds&outs!
First of all, a link to the article: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/no-limit/993/

Now that i reread the article, i cant imagine what i can still write here
Just read the article and if you need any further explanation or articles you can ask in this thread again.

At the end i have my lifetime graph for you as i promised:

You can see that in the lower limits you really do not play for making money! You play there to learn the strategy, experience downswings, learn to deal with them, see if you like playing poker, improve you understanding of poker.....and so on.
If you are playing very well, survived downswings (that are inevitable!!!!) and built your bankroll you will automatically move to higher limits where the amounts of money become interesing.
Btw: sorry for deleting the exact amounts, i dont want to post them here and they are of no use for your career in poker

If a mod could enlargen the picture i would be grateful. (i am too dumb for it ;))

Of course you can (and shall) use this thread also for positive/negative feedback !

Hi
We was talking about my saw flop, vpip, pfr and ats.
This is what i found out:

On 0,25/0,5$ i have:
Saw Flop 9,3%
Vpip 8,4%
Pfr 7,2%
Ats 15%
BB/100 hands = 3,86

On 0,5/1$ i have:Saw Flop 8,2%
Saw Flop 8,2%
Vpip 10,3%
Pfr 9%
Ats 25%
BB/100 hands = 0,39

I think i understand what you was talking about the gap being to big between Saw flop and Vpip. Maybe this is because i have started to steal and protect the blinds more often on 0,5/1$, i really dont know.

Could you please say something about this stats......

SirBoberg

Hi,

The gap cant come because of you stealing or defending more! That would increase VPIP and PFR simultaniously.
The gap must come from
a)completing SB
b)limping
c) coldcalling

stop it!! only complete pp's from time to time.

If you make a close move, reconsider if it is really a good one If necessary, post it in the forum.

And dont be worried because of the winrate, your samplesize is not even good enough to determine the winrate on 2bb/100 exactly.

10/9/25 isnt too bad but you might limp a bit less and steal a bit more often

Someone was asking where to find databases:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/board.php?boardid=1425

HI
When you say completing you mean call or raise from SB?

On 10058 hands from SB i have:
called 66 times and have a profit 59$
raised 158 hands with a profit 315$

From non blinds i have called just 115 hands and are -0,65$

You say that protecting and stealing blinds would increase VPIP and PFR simultaniously. Vpip has increased 1,9% and Pfr 1,8%, is that not simultaniously???

I got the feeling that i have raised preflop and folded to a reraise to many times, any other suggestions.

Maybe its just a bad streak or luck. I know its just 10000 hands but i want to evaluate them correctly and learn what stats to look out for.

SirBoberg

Originally posted by SirBoberg
HI
When you say completing you mean call or raise from SB? completing means filling up the SB so that you paid 1 BB preflop. "mp calls, co calls, sb completes, bb checks"

On 10058 hands from SB i have:
called 66 times and have a profit 59$ nice, but maybe folding some hands and maybe raising others would have been better
raised 158 hands with a profit 315$

From non blinds i have called just 115 hands and are -0,65$ not so nice, may be variance, may be bad play why dont you check out on these hands? Though you didnt lose a lot ^^

You say that protecting and stealing blinds would increase VPIP and PFR simultaniously. Vpip has increased 1,9% and Pfr 1,8%, is that not simultaniously???
i didnt mean increase compared to the other limit. lets pretend you didnt play a single hand, and your stats are therefore 0/0. Now you raise 1 hand. Then your VPIP is 100 and your PFR is 100. So they both went up by raising. The VPIP also goes up if you raise. If you raised this one hand and foldet to a reraise your VPIP and PFR are also 100.
I got the feeling that i have raised preflop and folded to a reraise to many times, any other suggestions.

Maybe its just a bad streak or luck. I know its just 10000 hands but i want to evaluate them correctly and learn what stats to look out for.

SirBoberg