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Call with AK high 3-ways on the river?

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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

PokerStars - $0.10/$0.20 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 18 BB
BB: 21.7 BB (VPIP: 31.84, PFR: 6.26, 3Bet Preflop: 3.14, Hands: 562)
UTG: 21.7 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 106.85 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 22)
CO: 32.5 BB (VPIP: 56.72, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 68)
BTN: 39.2 BB (VPIP: 30.92, PFR: 24.10, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 251)

Hero posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has K♥ A♠

fold, MP raises to 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 1.5 BB, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, BTN calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 6♥ 3♥ 6♣
Hero checks, MP bets 0.5 BB, BTN calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 3 players) 2♣
Hero checks, MP bets 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (11 BB, 3 players) 8♦
Hero checks, MP bets 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero...

Read: MP was a bit wild. As played, it's pretty clear that the button doesn't have a medium or big pair (he should have raised with that). Sort of funny, both me and the button are playing with our cards face up :f_biggrin:

The button called and won with AK high, but I'm not posting because I'm result oriented (well, I am, but that's not why I post), I thought "ask the forum" while I was deciding what to do.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

you cap preflop and check on a harmless flop .. since you take this line you should definitely call down.


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I've been wondering what would be your check range in these flops: connected, doubled and raggity. I tend to c-bet every doubled board, mostly because a lot of my Ahi have good equity in these kind of flops. But when it is SO low, I am not that sure anymore...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

A flop c-bet would be for extremely thin value (if any) here. Anyone with a pair will raise and the pot is sure to be bet at anyway. I'd bet in position.

Here I'd be extremely straightforward: I bet my pp in my 3-way capping range.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
A flop c-bet would be for extremely thin value (if any) here. Anyone with a pair will raise and the pot is sure to be bet at anyway. I'd bet in position.

Here I'd be extremely straightforward: I bet my pp in my 3-way capping range.

any pair ? the board is 636 its the perfect board to cbet your AK

I tried to give those two guys a simple quick range of hands vs your AK


Board: 3♥6♥6♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    27.07%  24.23%   2.84% { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
BU     25.62%  23.20%   2.42% { 55+, A2s+, K4s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A5o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
SB     47.31%  42.95%   4.36% { AsKh }

as you can see your clearly a favorite here and a good chunk at that equity in your favor. In my opinion there is no excuse not to cbet your best hand here. Yes sure they are gonna have pp's but a lot of the time they are gonna have less than your AK. Plus you have the Kh giving you a good bdfd on top of that low paired board.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

How do you get that nice table into your post?

Edit: Got the numbers wrong the first time around. (The small edge disappeared.)

Anyways, I took the PS ranges straight off (HJ open, BU 3-bet vs HJ), which I think is close to accurate with these guys.

I get

  • HJ: 28%
  • BU: 37%
  • SB: 35%

No edge. Even if I had a small edge, I wouldn't bet because it will be bet anyway, and any pair will raise.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
How do you get that nice table into your post?

Edit: Got the numbers wrong the first time around. (The small edge disappeared.)

Anyways, I took the PS ranges straight off (HJ open, BU 3-bet vs HJ), which I think is close to accurate with these guys.

I get

  • HJ: 28%
  • BU: 37%
  • SB: 35%

No edge. Even if I had a small edge, I wouldn't bet because it will be bet anyway, and any pair will raise.

I would REALLY advice you to never use the ps ranges in equilab when your analyzing. they are horribly outdated and these guys you played against just by looking at their stats seems to have gone beyond that of the silly ps hand ranges.

But I guess we gotta wait for boomer or someone else to clear this up. But i still hold my ground on its a clear cut bet any day.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Bet you have missed that the button is 3-betting. (Don't think the PS ranges are that horrible.)

But how the hell do you get that table into the post? Export from Equilab? Don't tell me you do it by hand.


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Originally posted by YohanN7
Bet you have missed that the button is 3-betting. (Don't think the PS ranges are that horrible.)

But how the hell do you get that table into the post? Export from Equilab? Don't tell me you do it by hand.

you can "Copy as BB Code" in equilab for sure


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Turns out I run an old version of Equilab without the "copy as BB code" option. There is a good reason: The newer one requires that .net piece of shit. Last time I had to deal with it, it took me a week to get my computer working properly again. (Meaning getting rid of all .net-related stuff.) Well, I'll give it a try, so now I'll be installing and reinstalling for a week, if things go well, instead of paying poker.

Edit: And of course, the god damned .net installation program crashed after an hour. Quality Microsoft, quality.


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Originally posted by YohanN7
Turns out I run an old version of Equilab without the "copy as BB code" option. There is a good reason: The newer one requires that .net piece of shit. Last time I had to deal with it, it took me a week to get my computer working properly again. (Meaning getting rid of all .net-related stuff.) Well, I'll give it a try, so now I'll be installing and reinstalling for a week, if things go well, instead of paying poker.

Edit: And of course, the god damned .net installation program crashed after an hour. Quality Microsoft, quality.

man, you took whining to a whole new level, congratulations.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Whining?

Guess you are right. Should do this in whinery, that's what whineries are for, not here. (But it is so god damned frustrating to spend half your life trying to make this dottnettithingie run.)


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