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ovpair on low board 3bet pot

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Shakaflaka
Joined: 18.01.2010

Hi!

The opponent hates folding and bluffs quite a lot. He is opening 59% from the BU and folding 55% to 3bets.

Foldtocbet 3bet pots 24%
Raise cbet: 17%
Fold turn: 18%
Fold river 57%
Bet vs missed cbet: 67% flop, 55% turn

I check the turn since my opponent will have a ton of floats in his range, since this board doesn't impact well with his range.

Do you like my line for value? Reading his stats, I could even bet turn again and maybe checking river. Do you prefer bet/bet/bet?

If we were bluffing, do you like the bet flop, check riase line on the turn?

Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $139.36 (139.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $284.73 (284.7 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $98.20 (98.2 bb)
CO: $101.50 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, SB folds, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $6

Flop: ($16.50) 3 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.70, BTN calls $7.70

Turn: ($31.90) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $19

River: ($91.90) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $55, BTN calls $54.30 and is all-in

Results:

Spoiler

$200.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 3 7 6 3 8
Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$100 net)
BTN showed 9 T and won $197.50 ($97.50 net)


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

You say villain can have "a ton of floats in his range" for calling the flop. What hands are you talking about? Most of the floats I see are Axs which will often check back turn for showdown value. And you block KQcc and QJcc if he's floating those. Also he can have some 88-TT which can check back turn. So yeah I'd just go bet/bet/bet.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Your line would make a lot more sense on boards where Ace high and other straight draw floats have a lot less showdown value (wetter boards).

Here what oblioo said makes sense - villain will showdown his A hi and play it passively.

With that said his stats seem a little extreme so i dont mind your play too much especially after seeing the results


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Shakaflaka
Joined: 18.01.2010

Good points, thank you very much.

Another question: against this type of player how would you play AK, AQ or a hand that 95s that I could have in my 3betbluffing range?

I've just started playing nl100 (.fr sites) and I just find many regs that simply hate folding on 3bet pots, even if they defend with relatively wide ranges preflop.

-Would you just stop 3bett bluffing preflop?
-Would you just play very straightforward postflop? Check-folding air and thin valuebetting a lot?

Thanks again!


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

with AK and AQ I think your 2 options are either to check the Flop and call at least twice, or to bet the Flop and c/c T and R on blank runouts, expecting to get floated by worse broadways and middle cards a lot.

I usually opt for the second option against someone who folds <30% vs flop cbets. TBH even a double barrel for razor-thin value may even be an option. You could do some calculations yourself either manually with equilab, or with cardrunners EV. I think if he continues with the top 60% of his flop range (0.75 X 0.8) AK would be a value bet for 2 streets.

With 95s I think you need to fire 3-barrels or something. Or maybe just check-raise the Flop. Or actually the best line would be to call Pre, or fold Pre instead of 3-betting such a hand.


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