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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Epic suckout here. Don't wanna be results orientated here but posting because I'm not sure a direct shove is best. Should I make a 2.5 x 4b pre?
I chose not to because in zoom I don't feel like I need to be doing it unless I know they are a reg for sure and want to balance 4b bluffs. Since I'm playing zoom and its NL2 I don't feel like I need to balance in this way

Therefore it was either a 4b shove for value or fold for me. I kind of wanted to fold pre since he was showing some nitty stats so he probably only 3b's QQ+ because it's zoom and everyone is tighter than a nun's chuff

Cheers

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.87 (VPIP: 16.48, PFR: 9.89, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 98)
Hero (SB): $2.09
BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
UTG: $0.56 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 10)
MP: $2.17 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: $2.13 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K♥ A♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.05, BB raises to $0.18, Hero raises to $2.09 and is all-in, BB calls $1.82 and is all-in

Flop: ($4.00, 2 players) 3♣ 4♣ K♠

Turn: ($4.00, 2 players) 5♦

River: ($4.00, 2 players) K♦

Spoiler

Hero shows K♥ A♦ (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 7%, Flop 8%, Turn 9%)
BB shows A♠ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 93%, Flop 92%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins $3.86


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

What do you think about calling and play postflop? I mean he could certantly have hands like AQo AQs AJs AJo ATs in his 3b range maybe even hands like KQ KJ. If villian looks super tight I would call and play postflop.

Ye I would defenlty call to play postflop. I think he will still call to much so we will still win money in the long run.


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Hi muel294

Preflop: first, let's not talk about balance at anything resembling a micro stake :)

You don't need to worry about that.

Second, why direct shove? I don't see any information to indicate that I want to 4-bet all in. And folding preflop based on 36 hands would be quite nitty/wrong imo.

So I'd 4-bet normal and go from there.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Shoving makes the decision easy, but that doesn't mean it's the highest EV. Shoving will often fold out hands like QJ which are very likely to call smaller 4bets of 50-60 cents. You definitely want to keep worse hands in. You would then be committed into calling a 5b shove anyway if he jams, but the point is that you gain more if he calls wide.

Maybe you don't like playing in 4b pots when you miss the Flop, but even a strategy of auto-cbetting 40% of the pot on 100% of flops after making a small 2.5-3X 4bet preflop is better than direct jamming.


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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Maybe you don't like playing in 4b pots when you miss the Flop, but even a strategy of auto-cbetting 40% of the pot on 100% of flops after making a small 2.5-3X 4bet preflop is better than direct jamming.


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Plus I think that the vast majority of players that play these limits don't like to fold so that was my thinking at the time. But I do agree with what you're saying. I feel like I end up spewing when I play 4b pots postflop when I am ace high or something, because I feel that when someone flats a 4b that they are either:

a good reg that thinks we 4b him too wide or 4b/fold often so flas to keep our dominated range in the hand

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passive / weak tight players who don't want to stack off and just " want to see what the flop brings "

Without good reads on my opponent I tend to assume they have something like QQ+ AK here (maybe JJ)

With regards to playing in 4b pots I will try to c-bet around 40% where it makes sense and see if this has an impact on how I play these spots. I will follow Weasels new video series which hopefully might address this problem for me.


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