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HU, pot 4bet, FD J flop

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €192.25
SB: €206.25

SB posts SB €1.00, Hero posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has J♦ T♠ 9♦ K♣

SB raises to €6.00, Hero raises to €18.00, SB raises to €54.00, Hero calls €36.00

Flop: (€108.00, 2 players) 8♥ 5♦ 3♦
Hero bets €108.00, SB raises to €152.25, Hero calls €30.25

Spoiler

Turn: (€384.50, 2 players) 5♠

River: (€384.50, 2 players) 7♦

Hero mucks J♦ T♠ 9♦ K♣ (Flush, Jack High) (Pre 44%, Flop 49%, Turn 23%)
SB shows Q♠ Q♣ 7♥ 7♣ (Full House, Sevens full of Fives) (Pre 56%, Flop 51%, Turn 78%)
SB wins €383.00

SB is a fish weak-station.
often playing him at PLO50-100, more in 6max games than HU.

in this day he seems me tilted, sit many tables, sit me HU at higher stakes than usual.
Not many hands but he is raising/3betting every hands.

Préflop

looks me std, with a good high rundown against his 100% openraising range.
If he 4bet I can easily call with a dominant hand that play well.

Don't want to 4bet it, i think he's not going to fold anything.
And not having pair, my hand doesn't have a very good raw equity (except if he has some 789T-like).
And he can have AAxx/KKxx

calling seems me hyper std

Flop

SPR 1.3, need ~39.5% equity

FD J high + good backdoor straight draws

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
6,307,440 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 3♦ 5♦ 8♥
Kc Ts Jd 9d 38.35% (2,415,991 wins, 6,107 ties)
AA, KK 61.65% (3,885,342 wins, 6,107 ties)

obv crushed when in those KKxx/AAxx he gets overFD.

equity not really ok against this hand.
I've obv no FE against AAxx here.
But if I can make it fold some hands with overcards (AKQT like) or some dry 8xxx (don't sure he would fold) or whatever, it's allways good.

play ok ?
with a FD K high, would be very more simple ?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

you can never fold a FD with such a low spr HU :) Pre is standard as well.

Regards,

Skod


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Agree it's fine to 3-bet this hand, even though I think it makes more sense to play small ball and just flat. It's a perfect hand to outplay a wide range with from IP, and we give up some of the positional edge by 3-betting, and we open ourselves up to light 4-bets when it's a disaster to fold many flops against a wide range of hands that we might still have dominated.


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

i dont play this much HU but when i watch a friend of mine playing HU (who´s play even higher stakes) i´m pritty sure that the 3b pre is standard. i will ask him.

@skod what do u think? should be standard vs most villians i guess

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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Originally posted by MrTrocks
i dont play this much HU but when i watch a friend of mine playing HU (who´s play even higher stakes) i´m pritty sure that the 3b pre is standard. i will ask him.

@skod what do u think? should be standard vs most villians i guess

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It is certainly standard, and it is definitely a +EV play.
I just believe that it's also highly profitable to outplay villain in a high SPR situation. I personally see 3-betting this hand more as an exploit against a loose steal range (>50%). We make so much extra money by 3-betting there so that having to play a 4BP from time to time is ok. I think that's the reason why people see 3-betting as standard, but I believe that's caused by a generalization of the average SB steal range.

So not knowing villains pre-flop stats I prefer to flat, because afaik >50% steal ranges in the SB are quite rare. I don't want villain to ever fold hands like KT92ss which is considered a standard steal + standard fold to a 3-bet by many players.


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Yeah definetly standard :). Especially since HU ppl prob open like 90% of their buttons in general.

regards,

Skod


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Originally posted by Skodljivec
Yeah definetly standard :). Especially since HU ppl prob open like 90% of their buttons in general.

regards,

Skod

The openraise comes from the SB though.
Btw BB vs BU I'd never 3-bet this particular hand. It's too strong and too weak at the same time.


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Yeah but it's HU. SB=BTN


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Originally posted by Skodljivec
Yeah but it's HU. SB=BTN

I still don't understand, are you saying people steal 90% on average in the SB? That should be far from reality.


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

its a Hu Game did u recognize that?

For my experience, had the chance to watch some good HU pros, they steal like 85-95%. maybe its different on the stakes heros play. But on higher stakes i had the feeling the open like any hand exept something like 2222 or really crap like 247Jr

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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Originally posted by MrTrocks
its a Hu Game did u recognize that?

lol.. excuse me :facepalm:

Taking back all I said, that's a super easy 3-bet/c.


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Originally posted by ETBrooD

Originally posted by MrTrocks
its a Hu Game did u recognize that?

lol.. excuse me :facepalm:

Taking back all I said, that's a super easy 3-bet/c.

Haha, happens to the best of us ;)


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