AKo 4Bp vs fish

Hi.

PF: Hmm this is very close between 5b all-in and call. I agree that this loose passive opponent should have a pretty strong 4betting range. His 4b is also less than 2X, which makes the pot odds you are receiving more favourable = Call might be better than jam.

Postflop play is fine. Folding flop means that you put him only on large pocket pairs, which means that you should fold preflop. I think this is def strong enough to call at least once.

PF: im not sure if i have value 5B his line look strong!

How can you say that his 4bet is strong when you only have 18h on him? He could have anything that goes from 99-AA, AQ, AJ and even worst hands, so just push!

I don't like flatting 4bets in general. I would never flat a 4bet against a fish in such conditions. But the worst is that you're flatting OOP. You're going to play a very big pot, OOP, w/ few informations and few possibilities to "play" since you easily get committed.ìm even w/ just overcards.

On the flop you hit nothing, and everything becomes sick. I would either fold to the cbet or push allin on his small bet relying on FE on its small bet and overcards. Calling makes no sense at all. The pot becomes 6.9€ which is more than your stack, and you're rarely going to hit A or K on the turn. You have no FE on later streets probably, so call is not an option.

I think you solve all your problems by 3bet/broking preflop, which is pretty std against most opponents w/ AK.

PF: im not sure if i have value 5B his line look strong!

How can you say that his 4bet is strong when you only have 18h on him?

doesnt matter how many hands you have on the player, if for example somebody 5bet me, then i say: i have 18h sample so i dont know if his play/line is strong.. ?!

Also if i play with 100/100 maniac and have 500h or 5000h sample, his 4bet can be 0%.
(So on 4bet stat i need a very lot of hands, and do not depends always on vpip/pfr/3b..)

but in generall this is strong line.

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"Calling makes no sense at all. The pot becomes 6.9€ which is more than your stack, and you're rarely going to hit A or K on the turn. You have no FE on later streets probably, so call is not an option.

F: i dont need FEq, i have odds to call, if he cbet there only, QQ+,AKs then can call.

doesnt matter how many hands you have on the player

Ok, but... Wait! We're not talking about 500 or 5000 hands, we're talking about a 18h sample.

Just make this "game" open equilab or stove and generate 18 random hands. Consider you're playing ont th CO and write down on the paper your PFR w/ that sample. Repeat 5 times and list your PFR on the various tries: you'll see that it's not impossible that you're having a similar PFR w/o being a nit.

You can say, "OMG he's a nit" after so few hands, plus he has 50% vpip which is sign he's a fish, so I can't see why you should play that conservative. Most fishes are doing things such as broking preflop w/ weak hands and still he may be 4bet/folding. Imho here broking preflop is the easiest way to play the hand, and given the few info, it's also the more profitable. IMHO.

i know this. but if he have someone 100/0 on 18h sample. (Or 50/6 what look similarly) then you can little determite he is fish. - but i do not said he is fish because have 50/6, but because i had tag as semi/pot. fish because he play on the mobile or play 1 table unhide...

I know what you want talk me, i normally do not share sample hands when its sample isnt big then 30 hand... (but also in 100 hand sample can have total nits stats)

for example i have in few cases in 100 hand sample 5/3/0 but normaly running like 16/13 etc +-

ps: idk if fish broke there and can do 4b/f because until now i see do this with only top range

Small 4bets on micros from fishy players are usually KK+.

You squeeze already pretty big, so I don't think he goes over the top with worse.

Give him QQ+ AKo AKs and you have 30% equity OTF OOP. It's not nice, so vs fish you can fold.

Vs regs, calling is fine.

Call PF and fold F is just plain inconsistent logic.

If you are putting your opponent purely on QQ+, then you should just fold preflop. It's as simple as that. 30% equity, slightly less than 25% pot odds. But you'll have a hard time realizing a lot of your equity when you are forced either to fold Flop or Turn. Or you get dominated even when you do Flop a pair. Remember that you have 30% equity if you get to see all 5-cards. If you see 3 or 4 cards only, you could argue that your equity is like 18-24% (3/5X 30% or 4/5 X 30%, not a precise estimate but it might be something like that)

On the other hand, if you think his 4b range could contain some weaker hands, then it becomes a very clear 5b or call (and folding would be way too nitty)

*I added some random bluffs like ATs and 98s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.83% 31.80% 13.03% { AKo }
MP3 55.17% 42.15% 13.03% { JJ+, AKs, ATs, 98s, AKo }

Originally posted by 92Niko

doesnt matter how many hands you have on the player

Ok, but... Wait! We're not talking about 500 or 5000 hands, we're talking about a 18h sample.

Just make this "game" open equilab or stove and generate 18 random hands. Consider you're playing ont th CO and write down on the paper your PFR w/ that sample. Repeat 5 times and list your PFR on the various tries: you'll see that it's not impossible that you're having a similar PFR w/o being a nit.

You can say, "OMG he's a nit" after so few hands, plus he has 50% vpip which is sign he's a fish, so I can't see why you should play that conservative. Most fishes are doing things such as broking preflop w/ weak hands and still he may be 4bet/folding. Imho here broking preflop is the easiest way to play the hand, and given the few info, it's also the more profitable. IMHO.

Sure 18 hands is not a lot, but I think having 20 hands is more than enough to have a rough guess at the preflop tendencies for extreme players (those who are super loose and passive).

If his stats were more standardish, say 18/12, then I think it's harder to draw any conclusions. To give you another example, if someone played 80/60 over 10 hands, I can assure you that there's a 90% chance that he's some sort of maniac.