I have alot of stats of regular players that are stealing from the button 50% to 60% at nl50/nl100 short hand.
My thinking is that they must be stealing from the button with any 2 cards, because the chance to steal from the button must be about 50% as the pot has to be unopened.
Is this correct assuming this ?
Does any know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
Att. steal% is calculated how often player will raise CO/BU/SB when the pot is unopened. So if their steal% is 50% it's 50% of hands.
no. If you have stat RFI from BU and it is 50 then he did RaISE first in 50% of given chance. So in this case he did raise first in every 2nd hand only.
Originally posted by AlvisR
no. If you have stat RFI from BU and it is 50 then he did RaISE first in 50% of given chance. So in this case he did raise first in every 2nd hand only.
So a player with 50% steal from the button is basically stealing with any 2 cards ?
And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
No, he is stealing with 50% of hands. Any2 would be 100%.
EDIT: I have some old NL10-NL20 games in my database and pot has been unopened around 50% when i've been on the button.
Originally posted by pokernewbie28
And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?
I think the other players have it correct:
If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.
As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
♦ MP2 -- 15.2%
♦ MP3 -- 17.6%
♦ CO -- 45.4%
So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
.85 * .82 * .55 = .38
roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.
If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.
--VS
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Originally posted by pokernewbie28
And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?I think the other players have it correct:
If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
♦ MP2 -- 15.2%
♦ MP3 -- 17.6%
♦ CO -- 45.4%So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
.85 * .82 * .55 = .38
roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.
--VS
this guy is on to something here ♠_evil:
Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
Stealing is against the law
Aaaah Gary - the transition back is complete. 
Originally posted by serverm07
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Originally posted by pokernewbie28
And does anyone know the percentage that the pot is unopened until the button, short hand 6 max?I think the other players have it correct:
If a player shows he Raises First In 50% of the time, that is 50% of his opportunities.As to the % of the time that the first 3 players open-fold, just look at the reverse of their raising percentages.
In Equilab, the following are given as loose open-raising ranges for
♦ MP2 -- 15.2%
♦ MP3 -- 17.6%
♦ CO -- 45.4%So the chances of them ALL FOLDING are:
.85 * .82 * .55 = .38
roughly 38% of hands are unopened before the button.If your table has looser or tighter players, then that all changes, of course.
--VS
this guy is on to something here ♠_evil:
Yup -- and I open-raise 43% from the button -- or did last night anyway.
I was trying to figure out how to get PT4 to tell me how often I took the pot down pre-flop from anywhere, but I'm not used to their filter system yet. It was very high.
--VS
