AA flop decision

I would advice you to just simple cap.. the call 3bet here is almost like slowplaying. you have AA.. Even though BU seems like one of the good regulars (hopefully not me ♦) he can still have a ton of hands he will bet/3bet.. There are a few guys out there with similar stats I won't mention names but its the Bangladesh guys ( ) they always and i mean always bet/3bet TP so AQ is easily in his range.. One of them also bet/3bet flush draws/straight draws.

I cap flop and bet, if he raises again i call down. unless we hit the backdoor flush ofc

Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Right.

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Right.

what will you do if he 3bets you on turn ? lets say its a maniac or someone like me ? (a good player for the stake)

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Right.

what will you do if he 3bets you on turn ? lets say its a maniac or someone like me ? (a good player for the stake)

This is one of the problems with taking the call flop/check-raise turn line. You have a difficult decision. Most all players call down, and so do I, but you are forced to consider folding your AA. Not considering the possibility that you may draw dead is a mistake. An even worse mistake is to fold the best hand. Your judgement has to be accurate. This is why I wrote that taking the cap flop/bet+bet line is easier. I'm sure you agree

Versus maniac the calldown is a nobrainer. Versus "good for the stake", well, it's partly a guessing game, but it takes a lot (horrible board, reads, history) to make me lay down AA with only two left in the pot.

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Right.

what will you do if he 3bets you on turn ? lets say its a maniac or someone like me ? (a good player for the stake)

This is one of the problems with taking the call flop/check-raise turn line. You have a difficult decision. Most all players call down, and so do I, but you are forced to consider folding your AA. Not considering the possibility that you may draw dead is a mistake. An even worse mistake is to fold the best hand. Your judgement has to be accurate. This is why I wrote that taking the cap flop/bet+bet line is easier. I'm sure you agree

Versus maniac the calldown is a nobrainer. Versus "good for the stake", well, it's partly a guessing game, but it takes a lot (horrible board, reads, history) to make me lay down AA with only two left in the pot.

I do agree that the cap flop is the better play.. Im just thinking what you would do with the 3bet turn scenario. it only adds to the fun of guessing, so how often do you expect to be good when a reg / aka me would 3bet turn. Honestly i don't think im good here except against a certain few at 25/50c who overplays TP. vs any of the regs who actually knows what they are doing somewhat i would actually consider folding. They won't 3bet turng to make you fold when you cap flop you are strong and they know it so it most times has to be a better hand than the AA.

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Avataren

Originally posted by YohanN7
Yeah.

• Call flop - call down is too weak.
• Call flop - check-raise turn is a negative freeroll. It might gain you a fraction of a bet, but it might also lose you more than a big bet when you are ahead and he checks behind. Another problem is when you are behind. Then it becomes expensive.
• Cap flop - bet turn. Easiest to play, slightly cheaper if you are behind, will surely extract money if you are ahead. In other words, it probably has highest EV.

I'd play call flop - check-raise turn only as a variation (if necessary) in a long session.

i presume with a read that he will always bet turn ?

Right.

what will you do if he 3bets you on turn ? lets say its a maniac or someone like me ? (a good player for the stake)

This is one of the problems with taking the call flop/check-raise turn line. You have a difficult decision. Most all players call down, and so do I, but you are forced to consider folding your AA. Not considering the possibility that you may draw dead is a mistake. An even worse mistake is to fold the best hand. Your judgement has to be accurate. This is why I wrote that taking the cap flop/bet+bet line is easier. I'm sure you agree

Versus maniac the calldown is a nobrainer. Versus "good for the stake", well, it's partly a guessing game, but it takes a lot (horrible board, reads, history) to make me lay down AA with only two left in the pot.

I do agree that the cap flop is the better play.. Im just thinking what you would do with the 3bet turn scenario. it only adds to the fun of guessing, so how often do you expect to be good when a reg / aka me would 3bet turn. Honestly i don't think im good here except against a certain few at 25/50c who overplays TP. vs any of the regs who actually knows what they are doing somewhat i would actually consider folding. They won't 3bet turng to make you fold when you cap flop you are strong and they know it so it most times has to be a better hand than the AA.

I once more agree with you and therefore feel very very sick (We don't cap flop now b t w, but the conclusion remains.) But still the same, we can't fold too often. They might get ideas about advanced bluffing.

I once more agree with you and therefore feel very very sick

i can imagine, I feel sick just having a normal conversation with you