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turn semi bluff shove vs pf 3 bettor Zoom FR NL2

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU (Hero)$3.37:///////;SB$4.30:///////;BB$2.37:///////;UTG1$1.03:///////;UTG2$0.73:///////;MP1$2.72:///////;MP2$1.97:///////;MP3$1.44:///////;CO$2.20:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with A:d, 8:d.
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.12.

Flop: ($0.37) T:c, 6:h, 9:d (2 players)
BB bets $0.23, Hero calls $0.23.

Turn: ($0.83) Q:d (2 players)
BB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.96(All-In), BB calls $1.16.

River: ($5.75) 5:h (2 players)

Final Pot: $5.75.
Results follow:

Hero shows high card ace(A:d 8:d).
BB shows two pairs, tens and nines(T:s 9:s).

BB wins with two pairs, tens and nines(T:s 9:s).

My BTN open gets 3-bet by the BB and I call in position. The flop gives me a gutshot and bdfd, also I have the A, so I decide to float his c-bet and when the Qd hits, I shove the turn. I am happy with my play, because I can represent many value combos and if I am called I have 12 outs (sometimes even mor, e.g. vs KK). Because of the BTN vs bb dynamic I guess I have less FE, and indeed he snap-calls. What´s your thoughts on the hand and on his call? Can/should he lay down his specific hand if he considers me a solid player? Thanks for your thoughts.

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Open is good, then I fold to 3bet. I don't think you will make money in 3bet pot vs unk with A8s on Nl2 where people don't 3bet light...

Flop: it's hard to say what is the best, because we have no information.

Turn: you don't have fold equity vs his sizing/stack left on this card... Even when he has AK he will bet/call and there is no way he will fold anypair... His range is 99+/AQ/KQ/KJ? and maybe sometimes bluff which... is still better hand than A8.


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

You are right.

Actually, I did not quite realize that he was committed after his turn bet, getting 3.5-to-1 after my shove.

So I guess I should just fold pf (even though, as you can see by his hand, people do 3-bet light even on this level in BTN vs bb confrontations, or would you not consider this a light 3-bet?).

Anyway, if eff stacks were a lot deeper then maybe I could play like I did. Thx anyway.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I agree. Also, when counting outs, don't forget to discount them. here you may have as little ans 8 outs and as many as 14. Saying 12 outs may be optimistic.


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Hi briccius

Preflop: this should be a fold preflop. Your hand is easily dominated and you lack information.

Postflop: As played what do you think villain pots the turn with? It's generally not a hand that folds to a shove.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Would A8s be a fold to a 3x versus a 2x open?

I open 2x on the button and have all sorts of junk in my range. If I folded A8s I think villain could very well auto-profit here.


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redrawstump
Joined: 09.05.2012

@yohan if villains start restealing light from the blinds (need a read) then A9s-A2s would start to go into a 4bet bluff range. If I'm flatting it's with the intention of floating most flops to take it down on the turn (villain needs high cbet in 3bet pot). If villain 3bets pre them fires twice he has it most of the time. I think this decision is more villain dependent than bet size dependent.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by redrawstump
@yohan if villains start restealing light from the blinds (need a read) then A9s-A2s would start to go into a 4bet bluff range. If I'm flatting it's with the intention of floating most flops to take it down on the turn (villain needs high cbet in 3bet pot). If villain 3bets pre them fires twice he has it most of the time. I think this decision is more villain dependent than bet size dependent.

In this situation I'd 4-bet bluff A9o, A8o, A7o (perhaps more, perhaps less). I'd flat the suited versions.


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