[Closed] (3/6) 44 vs Flop donk-bet

NH imo, you can't play this differently except if you have specific reads about with what he donkbets.

his AF is low, but he plays 68% ... so I put him on sime kind of str8 draw or flush draw

I think I would check behind on the turn and hope he bluffs river.

Bet Turn for free SD ?

I'm not sure why, but I like a check behind on the turn better

Fold flop.

Your equity is only ~40% and it only gets worse on next two streets unless you catch your 4.
Allso guy with AF 1 probably wont donk with gutshot, rarely even with flush-draw, but with flushdraw he probaly has 15 outs if you are ahead on the flop, so your chances are not really shiny. If he for instance has Qh6h he is still favourite on this flop (~55%) even though you are ahead at the moment. So its not worth calling.

Which range did you use?

1AF with 68vpip is agressive, not passive.

If you use 70% range your equity is 40%, and even if you use 100% your equity is still below 50%, and you can expect it to decrease on later streets if turn and river arent 2, 3, or 4. So in general you are loosing money by calling with this hand.

Look at this:

Full Tilt (Cash Game): $3/$6 FL , 6 players
Thu Nov 13 20:00:19 CET 2008
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ello mallo 000 ($244.50)
WatchYourAJ ($319)
MiketheHandsome ($222)
BigJul ($147)
antediplomat ($99.50)
Scapper B ($220)

MiketheHandsome is the button.

Precards:
BigJul posts the small blind $1.50, antediplomat posts the big blind $3.

Preflop: ello mallo 000 is dealt 8♣ 8♦ (6 active)
Scapper B folds, ello mallo 000 raises to $6, 3 folds, antediplomat calls $3.

Flop: A♦ 6♠ Q♥ ($13.50, 2 active)
antediplomat bets $3, ello mallo 000 calls $3.

Turn: A♦ 6♠ Q♥ 5♦ ($19.50, 2 active)
antediplomat checks, ello mallo 000 checks.

River: A♦ 6♠ Q♥ 5♦ Q♣ ($19.50, 2 active)
antediplomat checks, ello mallo 000 checks.

Final Pot: $19.50
ello mallo 000, net: $10.50, Won at showdown, has [8c 8d] (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
antediplomat, net: -$9, Lost at showdown, has [2s 7d] (a Pair of Queens)
BigJul, net: -$1.50, Folded Preflop

antediplomat
#hands: 166
VP$P: 57%
PFR: 23%
ATS: 37%
WTSD: 43%
PostFlop AF: 1.47

Please don't see results now...
You think I have to fold on the flop against his Flop donk-bet ?

There are players they like donks on the flop against a tight player

Of course if they also bet on the turn, I have to fold without reads

But in this case you have better equity, and you are actually favourite against his wide defending range on this flop with your hand, and there is allso only 1 gutshot possible and no flushdraw so opponent has at most 10 outs, and if turn and river brings board doubleing or lower cards than 8, your equity even improves. I think i would bet the turn and river here the way hand was going, but definitely call a flop here.

On the first hand I think I have to call the flop... The error is my bet on the turn

Ty for explanation... is right: on 2nd hand there are less draws

Hi danielasso,

1) I like the first hand as played. Folding the flop is no option at all with around 43% equity. A 9 on the turn only decreases our equity by 3% so this is no reason to directly fold.
On the turn you have the chance to bet/fold for a free showdown. If he is behind he has a lot outs against you and if you check you don't know if you can call anymore if a straightdraw is completed but he has just a busted flushdraw.

Board: Ah Jh 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 42,938% 42,475% 0,927% 56,598% 4d4c
Spieler 2: 57,062% 56,598% 0,927% 42,475% 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 83s+, 73s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T3o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o

Board: Ah Jh 9s 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 39,946% 39,887% 0,118% 59,995% 4d4c
Spieler 2: 60,054% 59,995% 0,118% 39,887% 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 83s+, 73s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T3o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o

2) Calling the flop should be fine against him as well. I like the turn check behind as here are less draws possible and you might induce him to bluff on the river.
As he checks the river again I think a valuebet is possible. He won't check an ace nor would he check the Q (he might check/raise it but he has to fear that you check behind again). He can however call the 6 or an other weak pair. Maybe even K-high.